Message from @>Cytos, de lieve goede synth

Discord ID: 436578921601957888


2018-04-19 17:20:22 UTC  

even stuff like child porn would not be able to be deleted

2018-04-19 17:20:52 UTC  

cause you can not detect who is holding it, and you can not detect what you are holding

2018-04-19 17:21:32 UTC  

on the plus side, it would be a completely free zone, where you could do anything you wanted to do on the internet and get away with it anonymously, unles you a dummy and dox urself

2018-04-19 17:21:37 UTC  

you can't

2018-04-19 17:21:43 UTC  

you will have witch hunts

2018-04-19 17:22:02 UTC  

look at what people think of TOR

2018-04-19 17:22:31 UTC  

what people think would not matter in my example

2018-04-19 17:22:39 UTC  

there is nothing to witch hunt

2018-04-19 17:22:46 UTC  

ofc there is 😏

2018-04-19 17:22:59 UTC  

TOR is exactly what you described

2018-04-19 17:23:08 UTC  

unless you want to go after everyone that sends and receive encrypted data

2018-04-19 17:23:19 UTC  

it became a place where you mostly only go for illegal stuff

2018-04-19 17:23:27 UTC  

that's what happened

2018-04-19 17:23:37 UTC  

the FBI tracks everyone on TOR that they can

2018-04-19 17:23:50 UTC  

you cant detect what is being sent or received though

2018-04-19 17:24:03 UTC  

they control most exit nodes

2018-04-19 17:26:14 UTC  

wouldnt you be able to avoid all that using a vpn though? like what i just said but hidden behind a peer to peer encrypted vpn as well

2018-04-19 17:27:50 UTC  

assuming the vpn doesn't sell you over

2018-04-19 17:28:11 UTC  

which in case of the FBI, they have the power to force the VPN company to "sell" you over

2018-04-19 17:28:14 UTC  

they have to comply

2018-04-19 17:28:46 UTC  

no i mean a decentralized user hosted vpn

2018-04-19 17:29:18 UTC  

this the same FBI that has 0 evidence for collusion but still spends millions trying to find it,

Meanwhile believing that drought in california is russian bots? 😛

2018-04-19 17:34:02 UTC  

@>Cytos, de lieve goede synth there is a problem with that. it's not that no one holds the data, it's that several people own the data. But in the case if things like cp or other things that are illegal to simple have on the computer, than it's technically anyone with the software may get arrested for having cp on their hard drive

2018-04-19 17:34:42 UTC  

but they may not. innocent till proven guilty remember

2018-04-19 17:35:04 UTC  

gotta be able to prove you have illegal data, which is impossible if its encrypted and you cant be expected to know the password

2018-04-19 17:35:13 UTC  

every person is guilty in the eyes of the government, they just haven't found the evidence yet

2018-04-19 17:36:09 UTC  

@>Cytos, de lieve goede synth possession of child porn is illegal. If it's on your hard drive, you are in possession of cp. Even if it's not your cp. That's the problem.

2018-04-19 17:36:20 UTC  

but it might not be CP

2018-04-19 17:36:27 UTC  

it could be anything

2018-04-19 17:38:27 UTC  

You don't understand. If the police search any computer with that software, unless the software does not save full copies of files on the machine, if they find cp, that the software put there, the owner of that machine can get charged with possession.

2018-04-19 17:38:42 UTC  

I'm not saying the police will know what machine has it

2018-04-19 17:40:06 UTC  

I'm saying it could be randomly found on a machine by someone. For example, an IT person fixing your hard drive might come across it using computer forensics programs and report it to the police.

2018-04-19 17:40:19 UTC  

This is a potental problem.

2018-04-19 17:40:53 UTC  

but you arent storing the non decrypted data

2018-04-19 17:41:21 UTC  

anything anyone would ever be able to find is the encrypted data, which they cant decypher without a key, that the ownder of the computer doesnt have

2018-04-19 17:42:52 UTC  

They can, but things designed to break encryption could. Such as, idk, someone trying to decypte some files that got affected by some ransomware. So the local IT is running some utilies on the computer and oops, suddenly it says it found some cp it just decypted.

2018-04-19 17:43:02 UTC  

My point is, it is a risk.

2018-04-19 17:43:15 UTC  

you cant just decrypt data