Message from @Radcliffe
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"They're just white people."
"They are colonizers so they deserve it"
Heard that one before.
Sounds about right.
Sjws are following an ideology that tells them both that Jews are bad but are also a protected class because otherwise they would be Nazis.
the conflict of israel is that of 2 or more groups of people whom have the same claim of homeland over roughly the same geographical location while simotainiously having milinia old history of conflict with eachother, incompatible culture and religion, and influinces on both of them by foreign power to both be the ruler and suppress the other. this does not make for a good foundation for peaceful coexistance to be built upon and its kind of surprising to think its managed to maintain itself for this long (though the reason it kinda has is that the establishment government there that replaced the palestinian regime got that postion by claiming it wouldent do what its doing right now). genocide is a consaquince of conquest when you as a conquerering people can not supress the people who's homes your putting your own next to. if you cannot assimilate to the point of creating a new homogenius society then the only answer is survival of the fittest because your own survival is now more important to you than any principle you may have and any moral you may tote.
the reason we critisize genocide so much in hignsight often is that we recognize as many things in hignsight how easly genocide could have been avoided or how unnessicary genocide was. i actually see the genocide of the palestinians being more reasonible than many other genocides i can think of off the top of my head however those at the time doing them would likely see them as completely justified, reasonible, and purely for their own survival
i think we can easly critisize israel for arguing it wouldent need a genocide in order to maintain its regime or their lack of forthought if they thought they would be able to maintain peace or creation homoginy in israel while keeping the muslims there (though thats a bit of a sins of the father arguement at this point). we can point out the irony of jewish people needing to commit genocide "for blood and soil". but ultimately none of that really matters to the people living there, if they cant see peace on either side and will never compramise and their children will never be able to form a homogynus socity then they have to do whats nessicary for their future, and one of them may need to die.
oh nice... jordan peterson and stephen fry on the same stage... this should be good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxYimeaoea0
first speaker has already taken peterson out of context... he doesnt look happy 😛
im about an hour into it and ive heard almost nothing from the left side of the stage with any substance
stephen fry is killin it
have you got to the angry peterson bit yet? 😛
i think id rather hear fry and peterson debate
at least something might be said
are you talking about peterson pointing out dyson's racism and then him doubling down?
ya
im so confused how you can argue for group justice and mix it with individual liberty
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/el-paso-texas-ammo-box-military-chopper-crashes-into-parkland-elementary-school-2018-05-18/
cnn: "another school shooting"
fry nailed it in the end there
just confirming his own bigotry and hatred of history
and goldberg has little to say of anything
sounding more guilty and confused
also disliking history
I always agree with most of what fry says... and when I disagree with him, he says a few words and suddenly Im in agreement with him 😛
hes a great persuader
the nonstop hackjob against peterson is really off putting
even IF it was all true 100%
it seems so petty
what's true about it?
nothing i heard in the video
?
Havne' watched the video, assuming you're talking about hte NYT article
no there is this debate thing on youtube
and other things
yeah I'm watching it
its like 2 hours long
so basically fry/peterson gained 6% post debate if you take their poll as scientific
also the video on that page is quite a bit better quality