Message from @NewRogernomics

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2019-11-27 03:51:27 UTC  

i'm all for laizzez faire, but you do have to be honest about monetary system

2019-11-27 03:52:16 UTC  

In NZ, policy tends to fluctuate by political party.

2019-11-27 03:52:48 UTC  

Labour is more willing to be flexible, though National has a major policy platform around running surpluses, low govt debt, and decreasing welfare spending.

2019-11-27 03:53:28 UTC  

Every election cycle, the govt debt and surplus level is brought up, as a measure of whether the govt is effective or not.

2019-11-27 03:53:49 UTC  

that entire conversation is a disaster

2019-11-27 03:55:02 UTC  

Both parties though tend to be consistent in policy to reduce the debt to gdp though.

2019-11-27 03:56:04 UTC  

Not the best site, but allows you to see it roughly.

2019-11-27 03:58:03 UTC  

they need to stop

2019-11-27 04:01:59 UTC  

It is hard to stop policy set by the reserve bank and political parties though.

2019-11-27 04:02:02 UTC  
2019-11-27 04:02:32 UTC  

You'd have to change minds in a big way.

2019-11-27 04:03:05 UTC  

that's usually impossible, people have to die and new people come in

2019-11-27 04:03:16 UTC  

nobody can admit they were wrong

2019-11-27 04:03:41 UTC  

Hope you aren't getting frustrated too much talking with me. 😄

2019-11-27 04:04:57 UTC  

I am not really saying more than what I've been brought up to think.

2019-11-27 04:05:59 UTC  

i know, it's a major issue in the states

2019-11-27 04:06:00 UTC  

Literally, ask anyone from NZ what they think about government budget deficits and debt to gdp, and they'll view it as a metric of poor government policy.

2019-11-27 04:06:26 UTC  

partly it's because of neoclassical economics, but there is definitely some purposeful lying in there to brainwash people

2019-11-27 04:07:03 UTC  

the emphasis on monetary policy is really what keeps the crop of elites in power

2019-11-27 04:07:21 UTC  

Well, if you look at govt policy...there was a massive drive to lower the gdp to debt ratio, create a budget surplus, and have low inflation.

2019-11-27 04:07:36 UTC  

From the 1980s-1990s at least.

2019-11-27 04:07:37 UTC  

poor people can't rebel

2019-11-27 04:07:42 UTC  

(easily)

2019-11-27 04:07:56 UTC  

in the US, we give lip service to it, but ignore it enough that we do ok

2019-11-27 04:08:22 UTC  

historian recently dug up some JFK quotes to show he understood this

2019-11-27 04:08:26 UTC  

NZ mostly survives through exports and tourism, and a lot of foreign investment, which is a curse and a blessing.

2019-11-27 04:08:46 UTC  

one of our major parties, at least in pretend form, is tied to that very issue, so it's a challenge to their very soul

2019-11-27 04:08:57 UTC  

Mostly the population grows through immigration.

2019-11-27 04:09:10 UTC  

but same party is also in bed with military industrial complex, which is a huge tool of fiscal policy

2019-11-27 04:09:32 UTC  

yea, the immigration issue also come sfrom same misunderstanding. I think that might be one way around it

2019-11-27 04:09:48 UTC  

the nativists might be convinced if you show them about how the labor woes are really caused by the policies

2019-11-27 04:09:57 UTC  

NZ is kinda the reverse of the US in that we spend way too little, even when we know where money needs to go.

2019-11-27 04:09:58 UTC  

dangerous well to drink from but something has to give

2019-11-27 04:10:23 UTC  

NZ govts have a heavy fear of inflation and government debt.

2019-11-27 04:10:39 UTC  

yea, the US has a military industial complex and the hypocracy around championing it makes it sort of impossible to do completely euro-style austerity pushes here

2019-11-27 04:11:20 UTC  

the inflation issue is a misunderstanding of how we get the price level and also the effects of demand for credit on aggregate demand

2019-11-27 04:11:25 UTC  

Well, at least from what I see the US is spending the right amounts in education, healthcare, and on the military, but not putting it in the right places or letting it be wasted.

2019-11-27 04:11:31 UTC  

some fiscal policies might be DEFLATIONARY ironically

2019-11-27 04:11:37 UTC  

because they would lower credit demand

2019-11-27 04:12:54 UTC  

Realistically, the amount the US is spending, it should be getting way better outcomes in education at least...yet school systems are failing, and the response seems to be 'we need more money'.