Message from @NewRogernomics

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2019-11-27 04:14:47 UTC  

it all has to go to the top or it can't happen

2019-11-27 04:15:07 UTC  

that tells me it's about more than simply a misunderstanding of the economics

2019-11-27 04:15:48 UTC  

At least from the way I see it, both major parties have no clue over what direction to go in.

2019-11-27 04:15:51 UTC  

it varies by state/locality here though, you can see dramatic differences if you travel aroudn US

2019-11-27 04:16:21 UTC  

in the US, i think the far left is becoming the more rational group, which excludes mainstream democrats for the most part

2019-11-27 04:16:26 UTC  

I disagree with both parties, and have pretty much given up on trying to understand where they are going.

2019-11-27 04:16:52 UTC  

wealth inequality has macroeconomic effects, alongside all the social justice stuff

2019-11-27 04:17:13 UTC  

Well, on a real basic level, I think the tax system needs work.

2019-11-27 04:17:24 UTC  

as workers share of GDP shrinks, aggregate demand drops

2019-11-27 04:17:44 UTC  

sure, but i woudl say more for the labor savings than any real issue of taxation

2019-11-27 04:17:51 UTC  

The way the US system is set up, tax avoidance is a major issue, and it seems to hurt the poor and middle class.

2019-11-27 04:18:22 UTC  

tax system could stay exactly the same and you could fix latter part just from fiscal policy

2019-11-27 04:18:40 UTC  

And the tax avoidance is kinda built-in, and it isn't a bug and rather a feature.

2019-11-27 04:18:41 UTC  

tax policy is really about how efficiently you want to control inflation AND/OR social engineering goals

2019-11-27 04:19:18 UTC  

You'd have to figure out how to tax higher incomes.

2019-11-27 04:19:42 UTC  

I've heard some floated ideas, like taxing shares,etc, as well as a flat tax.

2019-11-27 04:19:49 UTC  

no real magic to that, the us has had dramatically higher marginal tax rates before, though it doesn't really do wht they want it to because spending habits change less higher up you go

2019-11-27 04:20:00 UTC  

so that would be mostly a social engineering goal

2019-11-27 04:20:10 UTC  

if you want to control inflation, consumption taxes work better

2019-11-27 04:20:29 UTC  

(and that should be the main goal of tax policy in monetary economy)

2019-11-27 04:21:07 UTC  

I can't say whether it is right or wrong: Though in NZ, it has a high sales tax, coupled with a flat tax system based upon income level, with no exemptions for charities as much as in the US.

2019-11-27 04:21:47 UTC  

My folks kinda feel they are paying more tax here than in NZ.

2019-11-27 04:22:09 UTC  

they might be, us has a very diverse system depending on how you make your money

2019-11-27 04:22:42 UTC  

I don't think NZ has capital gains taxes either

2019-11-27 04:22:58 UTC  

or it's not separate at least

2019-11-27 04:23:09 UTC  

They paid the top tax rate in NZ, which was 33%

2019-11-27 04:23:12 UTC  

in the us it matters how you make your money, not just how mch you make

2019-11-27 04:23:47 UTC  

NZ has no payroll taxes,etc, just a general income tax.

2019-11-27 04:24:05 UTC  

for 'income' here in the us it's 37 marginal above 500k for single

2019-11-27 04:24:10 UTC  

but 21% capital gains

2019-11-27 04:24:19 UTC  

'income' here means labor for the most part

2019-11-27 04:24:28 UTC  

Also families in NZ can receive tax credits, though never really looked into how that works.

2019-11-27 04:25:03 UTC  

short term capital gains is taxed like income(labor) which hits traders like me

2019-11-27 04:25:18 UTC  

yea we have that here too, earned income tax credit and a mess of other line item stuff

2019-11-27 04:26:10 UTC  

0/15/20 capital gains rates here split at 40k and 400k ish

2019-11-27 04:26:54 UTC  

Yep. NZ has no capital gains taxes, though they have been floated.

2019-11-27 04:27:08 UTC  

Mostly to deal with the housing issue.

2019-11-27 04:28:14 UTC  

The govt recently made some restrictions on foreign property ownership.

2019-11-27 04:28:37 UTC  

Which isn't obviously going to fix the problem, and is more of 'we are doing something' message.

2019-11-27 04:29:19 UTC  

it's approaching problem from wrong angle, the asset bubble is caused by the monetary policy, which contributes to pricing out locals