Message from @Blackhawk342
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no union, no marriage license, i get to decide who my partner is.
The tax benefits of what's currently called marriage are important
But they need to be separated from religious rite
correct
@RyeNorth but why does the state even offer those benefits?
Joint filing of taxes?
Legally defined shared households?
but why?
The right of the espoused to be considered family when it comes to hospital choices,and inheritance?
Those are impactful
And I'm just grazing the tip of it
what is the point of these? why require paying money to the government just for THEM to recognizing what YOU are already doing? Why are you not just telling them this is how it is?
why does the government have the power to just change that on you?
I mean...
"we no longer allow unions for your situation"
Marriage is an option.
why is that even an option?
I'm not proposing any radical changes other than secularizing a federal system
you are missing the point entirely. I get what they do, but why are you giving the government that power? Why are you not just writing these things down and the government is just forced to recognize it.
That opens the door to all kinds of fraud...
The government hands out the benefits associated with being married and as such they have the right to keep a record of who receives their benefits
Plus ive never heard of anyone being turned down when they asked for a marriage license
There is nothing to prevent you from just living with someone anyway
And common law marriage is a thing, too
But the legal establishment of these things protects the participants against fraud, among other things.
fraud of what? benefits they are giving out for really no reason?
why was marriage even made a government thing in the first place?
what do they get out of it/
They encourage people to have children would be my guess
The path of reasoning you're on with this seems like it's anarchal in nature.
then they have a lot of freeloaders if its for children
Encourage, not mandate
you could encourage people to have children by actually giving these bonuses for having children. not just living together.
that would have prevented the whole same sex marriage problem entirely
at least in terms of legal standing
@RyeNorth anarchal for wanting the government to stop a program that cause problems and solves nothing?
They do have provisions for that in welfare and in tax breaks
Marriage was supposed to promote stable two parent homes,yes
That's why joint filing and tax breaks for dependents are things
Supposed to, yet it bound two people for life without requiring a kid. Rather than just give them benefits while they have kids who are under whatever is considered the legal age.
And then they have had to patch it again and again and again because it sucked at it's job