Message from @Blackhawk342
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Why are contracts needed?
why do we need to lump a bunch of different stuff that are not necessarily related under 1 contract?
Because they're not
Unrelated I mean
but they are. who is legally part of my family and can make decisions on my behalf is unrelated to who is necessarily living with me, is unrelated to who it might make sense (in the spirit of the idea) for me to file taxes jointly with and unrelated to who i might have a kid with.
they can all overlap
but they don't always overlap
Who you live with DOES matter when it comes to filing taxes.
And that consent to marriage matters too
Otherwise, I could've been taxed harder when I lived in DC with someone that made around 200,000 a year.
Those taxes would've KILLED me.
Yeah I assume living together is probably the main reason to cofile taxes
Specifically, joint finances
yeah
Marriage blurs and mixes property rights, finances, offers fifth amendment protection to spouses
It's so deeply ingrained,trivializing it to the point grenade seems to want to would be seriously destabilizing.
Any recommendations on that? How is a spouse determined in legal process, in regards to 5th amendment protection?
hmmm, can you remind me how the 5th amendment relates to marriage?
Is it like, evidence found during investigation of your spouse can't be used to accuse you of a crime?
Wait, that's the 4th...
Sets out rules for indictment by grand jury and eminent domain, protects the right to due process, and prohibits self-incrimination and double jeopardy.
thats the 5th
Yeah
4th is unreasonable search and seizures, search warrants and probable cause
A spouse may not be subpoenaed by Court. The spouse is protected by the same 5th Amendment rights as the accused.
A wife is not required to testify against their husband although they may
Ah, okay
It's one of the tenant concepts of marriage, that it's a shared life.
@RyeNorth who said i wanted all the legal options completely gone? i said i didn't want them all lumped together under such a messy piece of crap that does nothing but cause more problems at every turn and tied to a word that has religious connotations. Split it all up into things that need to be applied for and granted separately based off of criteria that make sense for each one.
why should a spouse who only knew the guy for 2 years, married for 1, get 5th amendment protection vs the live in girlfriend of 5 years who hasn't reached common law yet doesn't?
This whole debate has been us saying it should no longer be tied to religious connotations
We got calling ground on that point.
we do
Common Ground asterisk
You would be able to make the legal argument than because of the length of the relationship, the same protection should apply
Could just make it so everyone is allowed to refuse to incriminate someone they know
That seems like a gross overpowering of the Fifth Amendment. Nobody would be able to get tried for anything at that point.
I guess it's a bit much but I disagree that nobody would get tried for anything
Will the religious fundamentalist have a point that marriage was never intended to be a man and a woman, the fact that these systems are ingrained into society the way they are, and the fact that we're moving towards a secular mode of thinking, calls for a secularization of marriage. The problem has never been with the system of marriage and it's legal form, the problem has been with access to those benefits.
wait.
Between that, and the step of marriage being taken to lightly