Message from @Blackhawk342

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2018-06-04 18:14:23 UTC  

Why are contracts needed?

2018-06-04 18:14:35 UTC  

why do we need to lump a bunch of different stuff that are not necessarily related under 1 contract?

2018-06-04 18:14:57 UTC  

Because they're not

2018-06-04 18:15:07 UTC  

Unrelated I mean

2018-06-04 18:17:08 UTC  

but they are. who is legally part of my family and can make decisions on my behalf is unrelated to who is necessarily living with me, is unrelated to who it might make sense (in the spirit of the idea) for me to file taxes jointly with and unrelated to who i might have a kid with.

2018-06-04 18:17:48 UTC  

they can all overlap

2018-06-04 18:18:07 UTC  

but they don't always overlap

2018-06-04 18:18:36 UTC  

Who you live with DOES matter when it comes to filing taxes.

2018-06-04 18:19:03 UTC  

And that consent to marriage matters too

2018-06-04 18:19:43 UTC  

Otherwise, I could've been taxed harder when I lived in DC with someone that made around 200,000 a year.

2018-06-04 18:19:56 UTC  

Those taxes would've KILLED me.

2018-06-04 18:20:20 UTC  

Yeah I assume living together is probably the main reason to cofile taxes

2018-06-04 18:20:45 UTC  

Specifically, joint finances

2018-06-04 18:21:18 UTC  

yeah

2018-06-04 18:22:09 UTC  

Marriage blurs and mixes property rights, finances, offers fifth amendment protection to spouses

2018-06-04 18:23:23 UTC  

It's so deeply ingrained,trivializing it to the point grenade seems to want to would be seriously destabilizing.

2018-06-04 18:31:42 UTC  

Any recommendations on that? How is a spouse determined in legal process, in regards to 5th amendment protection?

2018-06-04 18:32:27 UTC  

hmmm, can you remind me how the 5th amendment relates to marriage?

2018-06-04 18:34:22 UTC  

Is it like, evidence found during investigation of your spouse can't be used to accuse you of a crime?

2018-06-04 18:35:17 UTC  

Wait, that's the 4th...

2018-06-04 18:35:50 UTC  

Sets out rules for indictment by grand jury and eminent domain, protects the right to due process, and prohibits self-incrimination and double jeopardy.

2018-06-04 18:36:02 UTC  

thats the 5th

2018-06-04 18:36:07 UTC  

Yeah

2018-06-04 18:36:22 UTC  

4th is unreasonable search and seizures, search warrants and probable cause

2018-06-04 18:37:08 UTC  

A spouse may not be subpoenaed by Court. The spouse is protected by the same 5th Amendment rights as the accused.

2018-06-04 18:37:22 UTC  

A wife is not required to testify against their husband although they may

2018-06-04 18:37:37 UTC  

Ah, okay

2018-06-04 18:38:19 UTC  

It's one of the tenant concepts of marriage, that it's a shared life.

2018-06-04 18:40:37 UTC  

@RyeNorth who said i wanted all the legal options completely gone? i said i didn't want them all lumped together under such a messy piece of crap that does nothing but cause more problems at every turn and tied to a word that has religious connotations. Split it all up into things that need to be applied for and granted separately based off of criteria that make sense for each one.

2018-06-04 18:41:47 UTC  

why should a spouse who only knew the guy for 2 years, married for 1, get 5th amendment protection vs the live in girlfriend of 5 years who hasn't reached common law yet doesn't?

2018-06-04 18:41:56 UTC  

This whole debate has been us saying it should no longer be tied to religious connotations

2018-06-04 18:42:30 UTC  

We got calling ground on that point.

2018-06-04 18:42:37 UTC  

we do

2018-06-04 18:42:41 UTC  

Common Ground asterisk

2018-06-04 18:43:13 UTC  

You would be able to make the legal argument than because of the length of the relationship, the same protection should apply

2018-06-04 18:43:18 UTC  

Could just make it so everyone is allowed to refuse to incriminate someone they know

2018-06-04 18:44:07 UTC  

That seems like a gross overpowering of the Fifth Amendment. Nobody would be able to get tried for anything at that point.

2018-06-04 18:45:24 UTC  

I guess it's a bit much but I disagree that nobody would get tried for anything

2018-06-04 18:45:55 UTC  

Will the religious fundamentalist have a point that marriage was never intended to be a man and a woman, the fact that these systems are ingrained into society the way they are, and the fact that we're moving towards a secular mode of thinking, calls for a secularization of marriage. The problem has never been with the system of marriage and it's legal form, the problem has been with access to those benefits.

2018-06-04 18:46:11 UTC  

wait.

2018-06-04 18:46:17 UTC  

Between that, and the step of marriage being taken to lightly