Message from @Blackhawk342

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2018-06-04 17:36:09 UTC  

why was marriage even made a government thing in the first place?

2018-06-04 17:36:14 UTC  

what do they get out of it/

2018-06-04 17:36:47 UTC  

They encourage people to have children would be my guess

2018-06-04 17:36:53 UTC  

The path of reasoning you're on with this seems like it's anarchal in nature.

2018-06-04 17:37:01 UTC  

then they have a lot of freeloaders if its for children

2018-06-04 17:37:24 UTC  

Encourage, not mandate

2018-06-04 17:38:04 UTC  

you could encourage people to have children by actually giving these bonuses for having children. not just living together.

2018-06-04 17:38:22 UTC  

that would have prevented the whole same sex marriage problem entirely

2018-06-04 17:38:32 UTC  

at least in terms of legal standing

2018-06-04 17:39:59 UTC  

@RyeNorth anarchal for wanting the government to stop a program that cause problems and solves nothing?

2018-06-04 17:40:10 UTC  

They do have provisions for that in welfare and in tax breaks

2018-06-04 17:41:15 UTC  

Marriage was supposed to promote stable two parent homes,yes

2018-06-04 17:41:45 UTC  

That's why joint filing and tax breaks for dependents are things

2018-06-04 17:42:50 UTC  

Supposed to, yet it bound two people for life without requiring a kid. Rather than just give them benefits while they have kids who are under whatever is considered the legal age.

2018-06-04 17:43:10 UTC  

And then they have had to patch it again and again and again because it sucked at it's job

2018-06-04 17:43:11 UTC  

still no farmlands? I thought it was out yesterday?

2018-06-04 17:43:37 UTC  

But the point is, if you DO think two people should be able to do as they please in that regard, that should not abolish benefits for the others.

2018-06-04 17:44:09 UTC  

Isnt that what the government should do? fix/change a system when it goes wrong?

2018-06-04 17:46:01 UTC  

yes, they should. And this system never really worked to start with, so they should redesign it from the ground up and start working towards that better system because it covers a bunch of crap that could be split up into different realms of responsibility.

2018-06-04 17:47:00 UTC  

Seems like its working if people are getting married and having kids

2018-06-04 17:47:43 UTC  

Different realms of responsibility?

2018-06-04 17:47:52 UTC  

Are we still talking about marriage or have we moved on?

2018-06-04 17:48:46 UTC  

that is a horrible metric for it working.

2018-06-04 17:49:02 UTC  

people have kids regardless of marriage, and people get married regardless of kids

2018-06-04 17:50:00 UTC  

meanwhile now need divorce laws, because we made it a legal status.

2018-06-04 17:50:13 UTC  

we need welfare, for people who have kids without marriage

2018-06-04 17:52:26 UTC  

then it covers things like joint filing, which has weird rules that could either save you on taxes or cost you on taxes

2018-06-04 17:53:16 UTC  

the parts where its related to taxes are handled by the IRS

2018-06-04 17:53:29 UTC  

is the IRS not the government?

2018-06-04 17:53:34 UTC  

i was not aware

2018-06-04 17:53:50 UTC  

Yea it is the government, i never said it wasnt

2018-06-04 17:54:42 UTC  

The section for welfare is handled by the HHS which is the portion of the government that distributes welfare. Single parents do get additional money as far as im aware.

2018-06-04 17:55:24 UTC  

Seems like a backwards incentive to me

2018-06-04 17:55:50 UTC  

It looks like fiddling with it makes it worse.

2018-06-04 17:56:04 UTC  

what is a backwards incentive?

2018-06-04 17:56:07 UTC  

Divorce laws werent instiuted for a long time because marriage was supposed to be until death. It wasnt until the 1920-40s when people started giving women the ability to divorce

2018-06-04 17:56:37 UTC  

@Blackhawk342 the fact they are laws is because marriage is a legal status

2018-06-04 17:56:45 UTC  

And as such

2018-06-04 17:57:00 UTC  

if it wasn't a legal status, there would be no need for a law removing that legal status

2018-06-04 17:57:16 UTC  

It's been something increasingly taken more and more lightly.

2018-06-04 17:57:49 UTC  

Did I say that it wasnt a legal status?