Hogg doesn't really debate though.

@Arch-Fiend what crime? you agreed to everything in the ToS *insert monotone voice and zucks face here*

This whole gun control thing isn't a conversation. There's no discussion, no back-and-forth. It's just a screaming match at this point, or worse, just naked exercise of power.

Facebook stock is at all-time highs today, so crime does pay.

Dab on that privacy tbh

it always has been a screaming match really

just autistic screeching all around and people in middle wishing they would both shut up and do something.

what that something is? no one knows

the gun control debate is 100% useless. i'm firmly in the "no guns for anyone"-camp but i do realize that it is absolutely impossible to get rid of the amount of guns that are in circulation.

if you can't get rid of ALL the guns, then the people that WILL have them will be the ones that do not care about laws.

which are the ones you least want to have them

or the people who make the laws

nah... usually more the people enforcing them

rather get shot than get doused in acid tbh. at least leave people knives.

so if a motherfucker wants to rob me at least i don't get my face melted

or, i guess you could use the same magic wand you'd need to get rid of guns to get rid of crime too

that's why i said that it is completely unrealistic to get rid of all guns in the us 😉

so basically "perfect scenario: no one has them, since that is not possible - why bother with disarming the people that do not break the law?"

the greatist act of tyranny is when a body of authority takes the method of the people to singlehandedly defend the rights they are told are protected

I think the perfect scenario would actually be no one wants to shoot me for the $20 I keep in my wallet and my 5 year old cell phone.

Although I do not agree with your baseline view falko. I do respect your method of approaching the issue.

Failing that I'd prefer retaining the ability to at least return fire.

well... i was talking about guns only... fixing your society was not on the table 😉

if you take guns from the world you better take every weapon more powerful. even then we will be violent with every weapon less powerful until we are reduced to nuggets without arms or legs

were animals, weve been violent for 500 million years

Fair enough, no one should expect one issue to fix society as a whole

you take guns from the people, even if you managed to monopolize all projectile weapons in the world to governemnt control, you would simply make the power imbalance between people hinge on a badge and a loisense that states "im a good guy and theres nothing you can do about it now"

if your government just wants to make you weaker than the people the government says are allowed to be strong, then the government is a criminal organization

of course you have to have a baseline trust your government...

we ensure trust by having a balance of force

if i was living in Venezuela i would probably think differently 😉

no one should have blind trust in anything, not even themselves

blind trust is something different than having a baseline trust that your democracy works

democracys actually require more power to the people than other forms of government

obviously 😄

dictatorships are not really that high on the whole power to the people thing 😄

because democracys distribute responcibility for the direction and actions of the society among the people more directly than more autocratic systems. this requires more enforcement on the part of the people to ensure the governemnt acts in the intrest of the people because its ultimately more of them who are responcible for it, as such they require the power to do that, and that power enforced through ensurence of violence between people and state

you only have insurence of violence between people and state when the people or state can insure that they can successfuly enforce their whim on one another through violence

the state does this with a military and police force, the people do this through being an armed milita

the people also hold the country hostage from the state in a way because in order to deal with its own people the state risks collateral damage

There is a problem democracy has not learned to weight into its governmental systems adequately. Specialization in the age of Merchant Guilds was limited in contrast to today. A doctorate of philosophy covered every accrued field of knowledge. Today, that is not possible. It is not possible to have professional specialists weighted according to their value in a polity which is 99% ignorant of their specialty.