Message from @Poppy Rider

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2018-06-06 13:06:31 UTC  

you have made citizens effectively prisoners.

2018-06-06 13:06:44 UTC  

Well you know how it goes, carry a gun, cause its easier than carrying a cop

2018-06-06 13:06:56 UTC  

not to mention police only show up AFTER a crime has been committed, maybe during if they are fast enough.

2018-06-06 13:06:58 UTC  

Stop and search needs to come back. I don't care if ppl shout racist. I'm white, I've been stopped countless times. Often with stuff on me that is illegal. Talk to the cops, explain or lie and they are good ppl. but if you can't explain your self, jail time or if you are a migrant, deportation.

2018-06-06 13:07:01 UTC  

Until there is 0 crime, people will have to rely on themselves first and formost

2018-06-06 13:07:16 UTC  

Illegal migrant?

2018-06-06 13:07:23 UTC  

Well that is just cause for deportation right?

2018-06-06 13:07:42 UTC  

legal or illegal. Out you go.

2018-06-06 13:08:00 UTC  

Legal? On what grounds then/

2018-06-06 13:08:22 UTC  

Breaking their terms of stay?

2018-06-06 13:08:22 UTC  

my life should not be forced to rely on some beat cop who may show up 10 minutes after i got shot, assuming i had the chance to call them.

2018-06-06 13:08:44 UTC  

Well didnt help that my dad suggesting giving them what they want.

2018-06-06 13:08:48 UTC  

Well what if they come back?

2018-06-06 13:08:50 UTC  

If you have chosen to come here for a better life and become a criminal you lose your right to stay.

2018-06-06 13:09:14 UTC  

So since citizens are not banished, migrants shouldnt either?

2018-06-06 13:09:24 UTC  

not at all.

2018-06-06 13:09:54 UTC  

We can't deport ppl born her, that does not mean we need to import ass holes as well.

2018-06-06 13:10:05 UTC  

Then whats the argument here then?

2018-06-06 13:10:18 UTC  

banish a yard worker immigrate for carrying around a hand rake?

2018-06-06 13:10:29 UTC  

Oh a migrant for carrying

2018-06-06 13:10:37 UTC  

Using hash punishment to deter this thing from happening.

2018-06-06 13:11:01 UTC  

One thing I learnt that the severity does not matter if you cant catch the offender

2018-06-06 13:11:21 UTC  

I think deportation would.

2018-06-06 13:11:34 UTC  

Well theres stuff worse than deportation

2018-06-06 13:12:17 UTC  

Damn Im not creative enough

2018-06-06 13:12:27 UTC  

No ifs, no buts. You commit a crime you get shipped out. You commit a serous crime you do time in jail then shipped out.

2018-06-06 13:12:29 UTC  

i'd call it unfair here to banish an immigrate here on a visa just because he smoked a little pot. OR committed any crime that was not violent, nor hurts anyone else.

2018-06-06 13:12:42 UTC  

should be the other way around

2018-06-06 13:12:53 UTC  

Yeah I definately missed the earlier point

2018-06-06 13:12:55 UTC  

why keep them in the country, costing you money, for a serious crime?

2018-06-06 13:13:04 UTC  

jail isn't free

2018-06-06 13:13:06 UTC  

To ensure they dont come back?

2018-06-06 13:13:14 UTC  

TIme in a prison is time you know where they are

2018-06-06 13:13:22 UTC  

Thats the logic behind it not that I support it

2018-06-06 13:13:24 UTC  

but you are just gonna ship them out after that time

2018-06-06 13:13:35 UTC  

Which leaves them free to sneak back in

2018-06-06 13:13:42 UTC  

And then its back to square one catching them again

2018-06-06 13:13:53 UTC  

Unless the border is secure enough

2018-06-06 13:13:55 UTC  

@GingaBomber You say it does not work but that is a value you can't measure. You don't know how many ppl did not commit a crime because they were afaid of the punishment. Just coz some ppl don't care doesn't prove that it doesn't work.

2018-06-06 13:14:04 UTC  

The jail thing sounds pretty sound till then

2018-06-06 13:14:07 UTC  

"do time in jail **then shipped out**"

i.e. "for serious crimes, you are gonna keep costing us money, THEN we will ship you out."