okay, and who in the government decides how much a doctor is worth?

You can choose to have private health care here. But if that fails you you have the NHS to fall back on. Or if it's somehting small and you don't want to increase you insuance you can was the NHS.

private health care is always better

first the implement polices that make hospitals nothing but money sinks without charging crazy prices, then they try and force me to pay insurance companies, the solution to their own problem, then you want to give these guys the direct power to waste my money so i can't help anyone else?

competition makes things more competitive and yes, people make money, its a fact of life

the US within "crap health care system" does most of the worlds r&d

so all these socialist healthcare systems are riding on our coat tails

sure its got its problems and I do content that I dont' think anyone should go into poverty if they get sick

but it sure beats the competition, regardless of what people may think

i have more power to shape the system when i have money. much more than i have power to tell dick-wads who know nothing of healthcare who have the power to decide what does and doesn't make sense.

yup

and I can always find another doctor

instead of one "provided" to me if I don't like the care

i have enough of a problem at my work. When leaders doesn't listen to the boots on the ground, it always ends up poorly for the boots on the ground. and politicians NEVER listen.

and why would they? i have not CHOICE but to pay their salary.

or they come in with guns

oh and I dnt' have to pay taxes to cover medicine I wouldn't use because I'd go with private anyway

look at how fast Battlefront 2 got fucked.

we should have that power over our politicians

and we don't

You can have private health care if you want. but for people that have the choice to have the care they might need if everyone put in some cash so that no one has to go with out.

and who pays for these people?

Everyone.

so I have to pay for everyone else and my own care on top of that?

that's called socialism

get your socialism out of my shit

really? so those people too poor to afford private are partly that poor because the government took that money from them?

also

if everyone pays for everyone then you are only pay for yourself

OR, people with more money are paying for the people with less money.

people are better at making healthcare choices about themselves then some goverment system plus any cogs in the system (i.e. doctors that jsut dont care because they hate the system just as much)

everyone is selfish

capitalism thrives on that

No. The system works coz most ppl don't use it. Some ppl over their life will pay in far more than they use.

and everyone wins

WWIII when

Look at your countries life expectancy and tell me you have the best health care.

soon'tm

tbh I'd attibute that less to healthcare and more to the fatfucks here

if you're referring to US

basically