Message from @possumsquat93

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2018-06-29 12:53:08 UTC  

the only reason we know gang violence is related to race is because we compiled statistics for it, before that we only had intuition

2018-06-29 12:53:27 UTC  

I know, I get it

2018-06-29 12:53:49 UTC  

I just didn't consider all scenarios

2018-06-29 12:54:12 UTC  

obviously the usefulness for any amount of profiling has be known to law enforcement for a long time though which is why profiling and compiling statistics is a very old method of investigation

2018-06-29 12:55:09 UTC  

at this point we just record everything we imagine to be useful

2018-06-29 12:55:55 UTC  

if a white person is killed with a note left "death to white people" and the body is found in a minority dominate area, does it make sense to look at white people first?

2018-06-29 12:56:10 UTC  

well

2018-06-29 12:56:18 UTC  

i mean, if you find out the deceased knew an SJW who was white thats a bit different

2018-06-29 12:56:23 UTC  

but

2018-06-29 12:57:25 UTC  

i think hate crimes against white people while not new have the potental to have new cercomstances that might change how they are profiled

2018-06-29 12:57:43 UTC  

or not, certainly 10 years ago youd be looking for anyone but a white person

2018-06-29 12:58:17 UTC  

yeah

2018-06-29 12:58:41 UTC  

now when there is a supposed hate crime, you need to look at the group it was commited against first

2018-06-29 12:58:47 UTC  

given the number of hoax hate crimes

2018-06-29 14:04:49 UTC  

Democratic socialism is different from social democracy, right? From my understanding, one is about replacing capitalism, and the other is about reforming it.

2018-06-29 14:13:12 UTC  

lets face it, both are about replacing it

2018-06-29 14:14:22 UTC  

the only change is
"We're TAKING your money for others"

Is changed to

"We're GIVING your money to others"

2018-06-29 14:21:46 UTC  

yea

2018-06-29 14:21:49 UTC  

DSA is anti capitalist

2018-06-29 14:21:56 UTC  

wants to give means of production to workers

2018-06-29 14:26:33 UTC  

I've just wondered if people are mixing up their terms when they say "democratic socialism."

2018-06-29 14:27:54 UTC  

Are they against private property, for instance?

2018-06-29 14:29:02 UTC  

can't speak for the DSA, cuz i haven't looked into them

2018-06-29 14:30:01 UTC  

but any democratic socialist, or social democrat

Eventually ends up with wanting to redistribute means of production, which ends up negating private property

2018-06-29 14:30:28 UTC  

social democrat is like scandinavia

2018-06-29 14:30:34 UTC  

they want a capitalistic welfare state

2018-06-29 14:30:45 UTC  

remove the qualifiers

2018-06-29 14:30:55 UTC  

Social democrat is a certain kind of democrat

2018-06-29 14:31:01 UTC  

Democratic socialist is a certian kind of socialist

2018-06-29 14:32:24 UTC  

Democratic socialist is just below the center line to the far left

2018-06-29 14:32:30 UTC  

authoritarian socialist is top left

2018-06-29 14:34:03 UTC  

I can agree with that discription, although i will say that the social democrats are a slippery slope

2018-06-29 14:35:38 UTC  

in Europe for example, the labor parties are often "social democrats" and in order to buy votes they wanna increase the welfare state,
Which is a slope that slowly starts claiming more, until people just pay the majority they earn into taxes

2018-06-29 14:37:07 UTC  

and Norway i believe pays its welfare state with state oil

2018-06-29 14:39:37 UTC  

Seems to me using these terms interchangeably is a bad idea.

2018-06-29 14:41:41 UTC  

they aren't the same,

Socialists (Democratic Socialists) wanna abolish capitalism all together,
Social Democrat want to have capitalism, but with high taxes to fund for public services

The issue with Social Democrats though is that they slowly keep wanting more public services, which leads to more taxes,

So in the end, instead of distributing the means of production, you just distribute the produce, having the same end result

2018-06-29 14:44:25 UTC  

as an extra example:
Under socialism, the poorest get free healthcare, so you can see a doctor.
Under social democracy, the poorest get subsidiaries, so they can pay for a doctor.

2018-06-29 14:45:19 UTC  

its not a literal example, but it gives you an idea of the end-goal difference

2018-06-29 14:50:12 UTC  

Social democracy is Sargon

2018-06-29 14:50:26 UTC  

Democratic socialism is Jeremy Corbin