Message from @possumsquat93

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2018-06-29 14:04:49 UTC  

Democratic socialism is different from social democracy, right? From my understanding, one is about replacing capitalism, and the other is about reforming it.

2018-06-29 14:13:12 UTC  

lets face it, both are about replacing it

2018-06-29 14:14:22 UTC  

the only change is
"We're TAKING your money for others"

Is changed to

"We're GIVING your money to others"

2018-06-29 14:21:46 UTC  

yea

2018-06-29 14:21:49 UTC  

DSA is anti capitalist

2018-06-29 14:21:56 UTC  

wants to give means of production to workers

2018-06-29 14:26:33 UTC  

I've just wondered if people are mixing up their terms when they say "democratic socialism."

2018-06-29 14:27:54 UTC  

Are they against private property, for instance?

2018-06-29 14:29:02 UTC  

can't speak for the DSA, cuz i haven't looked into them

2018-06-29 14:30:01 UTC  

but any democratic socialist, or social democrat

Eventually ends up with wanting to redistribute means of production, which ends up negating private property

2018-06-29 14:30:28 UTC  

social democrat is like scandinavia

2018-06-29 14:30:34 UTC  

they want a capitalistic welfare state

2018-06-29 14:30:45 UTC  

remove the qualifiers

2018-06-29 14:30:55 UTC  

Social democrat is a certain kind of democrat

2018-06-29 14:31:01 UTC  

Democratic socialist is a certian kind of socialist

2018-06-29 14:32:24 UTC  

Democratic socialist is just below the center line to the far left

2018-06-29 14:32:30 UTC  

authoritarian socialist is top left

2018-06-29 14:34:03 UTC  

I can agree with that discription, although i will say that the social democrats are a slippery slope

2018-06-29 14:35:38 UTC  

in Europe for example, the labor parties are often "social democrats" and in order to buy votes they wanna increase the welfare state,
Which is a slope that slowly starts claiming more, until people just pay the majority they earn into taxes

2018-06-29 14:37:07 UTC  

and Norway i believe pays its welfare state with state oil

2018-06-29 14:39:37 UTC  

Seems to me using these terms interchangeably is a bad idea.

2018-06-29 14:41:41 UTC  

they aren't the same,

Socialists (Democratic Socialists) wanna abolish capitalism all together,
Social Democrat want to have capitalism, but with high taxes to fund for public services

The issue with Social Democrats though is that they slowly keep wanting more public services, which leads to more taxes,

So in the end, instead of distributing the means of production, you just distribute the produce, having the same end result

2018-06-29 14:44:25 UTC  

as an extra example:
Under socialism, the poorest get free healthcare, so you can see a doctor.
Under social democracy, the poorest get subsidiaries, so they can pay for a doctor.

2018-06-29 14:45:19 UTC  

its not a literal example, but it gives you an idea of the end-goal difference

2018-06-29 14:50:12 UTC  

Social democracy is Sargon

2018-06-29 14:50:26 UTC  

Democratic socialism is Jeremy Corbin

2018-06-29 14:50:30 UTC  

Basically

2018-06-29 14:51:34 UTC  

and Social Degeneracy is Merkel 😉

2018-06-29 14:56:04 UTC  

*sits in corner, tempted to start the helicopters* 😂

2018-06-29 15:03:53 UTC  

*laughs in right-wing deathsquad*

2018-06-29 15:14:38 UTC  

what's the actual chance the dsa gains a real following?

2018-06-29 15:25:41 UTC  

depends on how well the Democratic Party is going to handle the next 2 years,

My prediction:
If they don't do it well and keep the current tactic, whats going to happen is that the Democratic party will implode and split into a socialist party (DSA) and normal Democratic Party

meaning the Republicans will win for the next few elections on account of them not being split, having money and the new Trump induced Rep-love
And the dems will be competing with the sols in the same regions, whilst the Reps remain solid in middle America

So instead of having votes like
50-50
You'll get 50-33-22 or something

2018-06-29 15:25:47 UTC  

its funny when people dont understand what left and right means

2018-06-29 15:25:49 UTC  

and they are like

2018-06-29 15:25:55 UTC  

"tim is right wing becuase he criticizes the left"

2018-06-29 15:26:19 UTC  

Its extremism Tim,

Only 1's and 0's

If you're not with us, you're on the other side

2018-06-29 15:27:02 UTC  

funny though, they removed the political spectrum and turned it into a binary

Whilst at the same time making the binary gender a spectrum 😉

2018-06-29 15:29:01 UTC  

you know, i think i just figured out part of youtube's identity crisis when it comes to their rules and enforcement: Pewdiepie.

2018-06-29 15:30:20 UTC  

how so?

2018-06-29 15:30:34 UTC  

he's too big for them to silence?