Message from Arch-Fiend in Subverse #newsroom

2018-07-03 11:46:38 UTC  

also only 10 countrys in the eu had biometric in may

2018-07-03 11:46:49 UTC  

and half of them were eastern european

2018-07-03 11:48:17 UTC  

If you've ever had a DNA test, for any reason, it's almost certain they have your biometrics.

2018-07-03 11:48:48 UTC  

poland, austria, slovenia, lithuania, latvia

2018-07-03 11:56:40 UTC  

though i wonder if perhaps the problem with biometrics isint that it is used but rather how many things idenification is required for. identification has always been a thing throughout history, if you go somewhere the authority of anywhere you go wants to know who you are specificly so you wont cause any trouble, the evolution of identification has basicly been making sure that your who you say you are or so that no one is saying they are you besides you. in reality you have no reason to say you arnt who you are other than when your actively working against the authority in some reguard. however if you have an omnipressent requirement to display identification before making any action it becomes tracking and monitoring. if today your location is known because your identity is used 5 times then tomarrow its known because you had to use it 50 times, your life is tracked substantially more. the security of this identification has nothing to do with how often its demanded though.

2018-07-03 11:59:25 UTC  

Case in point is having to identify yourself to watch porn in the UK.

2018-07-03 12:00:49 UTC  


2018-07-03 12:01:27 UTC  

The other, more concerning issue is there is no way that data is *not* going to get misused, stolen and exploited.

2018-07-03 12:07:34 UTC  

it conserns you that data will in no way get misused, stolen, and exploited?

2018-07-03 12:08:38 UTC  

whoops. Fixed that.

2018-07-03 12:09:11 UTC  

`"Damnit, why is my massive database of 25million citizens not being hacked yet!"`

2018-07-03 12:13:10 UTC  

If the Australian Census taught us anything, it's that the government shouldn't be responsible for protecting anything big-data related.

2018-07-03 12:19:54 UTC  

its actually a fundomental job of the government to insure identification and regulating traffic within its borders though

2018-07-03 12:20:28 UTC  

i think the idea of biometrics is that its harder to steal that information rather than just being a number your assigned at birth

2018-07-03 12:20:41 UTC  

its tied to your dna

2018-07-03 12:25:43 UTC  

Is it?

2018-07-03 12:25:47 UTC  

I don't agree it is.

2018-07-03 12:27:12 UTC  

steal my dna

2018-07-03 12:28:02 UTC  

Sorry, no i mean I don't agree thats a fundamental job of the government...

2018-07-03 12:28:19 UTC  

The DNA record they collect is assigned to a number. Your Social Sec number.

2018-07-03 12:28:23 UTC  

if the government is to have a job it sure is

2018-07-03 12:28:31 UTC  

Along with a metrick fuck-tonne of other metadata

2018-07-03 12:28:35 UTC  

@Timcast please keep an eye on that crowd pac story censoring republicans from their platform id really like to know what happens with what the are doing about the election meddling argument that that girl is saying

2018-07-03 12:28:39 UTC  

its one of the oldest jobs government has had

2018-07-03 12:28:47 UTC  

like prostitution

2018-07-03 12:29:58 UTC  

Lawyer and plumbers are also old jobs

2018-07-03 12:30:01 UTC  

It may be something they do, but I don't agree its a responsibility of the government..

2018-07-03 12:31:25 UTC  

A government's job is to protect its border, and defend citizens rights to property.

2018-07-03 12:31:29 UTC  

That's fundamentally it

2018-07-03 12:31:34 UTC  

Everything else is scope creep.

2018-07-03 12:31:39 UTC  

@LOLTRON agree

2018-07-03 12:32:43 UTC  

And i am coming from a position where I am okay with government delivering critical services like energy, health care and infrastructure... But i don't think the government should be unilaterally tracking its citizens.

2018-07-03 12:32:49 UTC  

what good can come from that?

2018-07-03 12:35:03 UTC  

you cant protect the border without identification

2018-07-03 12:35:25 UTC  

unless you have a wall of fire around it

2018-07-03 12:35:36 UTC  

but then that keeps your own people inside

2018-07-03 12:35:51 UTC  

doesent really respect their freedom

2018-07-03 12:36:48 UTC  

I'm not saying the government doesn't need to have a record of its citizens. But i do think they don't need biometrics

2018-07-03 12:36:57 UTC  

biometrics just allows them to track citizens more easily

2018-07-03 12:37:06 UTC  

I don't think tracking citizens should be somethign that can be done easily

2018-07-03 12:37:10 UTC  

it should be hard, and expensive