Message from Arch-Fiend in Subverse #newsroom

2018-07-03 13:00:39 UTC  

But i don't think giving the government access to ALL metadata is a balance.

2018-07-03 13:00:42 UTC  

that balance changes from person to person, from day to day

2018-07-03 13:00:57 UTC  

The balance isn't reasonable. Not any more

2018-07-03 13:01:19 UTC  

Mostly because the vast majority of people don't understand just how much data is being collected on them

2018-07-03 13:01:29 UTC  

If they actually understood the scope of the machine at work, they would be horrified.

2018-07-03 13:02:16 UTC  

if you have a welfare state, which you pay for with your taxes, wouldn't it be in your best interest for the government to make sure the people receiving welfare are actually in need of welfare?

2018-07-03 13:04:53 UTC  

I didn't say they shouldn't have "some" data.. I just think they currently have too much.. And we certainly shouldn't be volunteering more.

2018-07-03 13:05:23 UTC  

The government doesn't need more metadata to determine that.

2018-07-03 13:05:35 UTC  

Your income statement is enough to calculate that.

2018-07-03 13:06:34 UTC  

In this case, welfare would naturally become a "security over freedom" sort of deal, wouldn't it?

2018-07-03 13:07:16 UTC  

I'm not necessarily in favour of that sort of welfare

2018-07-03 13:07:26 UTC  

Neither am I in most circumstances.

2018-07-03 13:07:29 UTC  

i support a safety net

2018-07-03 13:07:52 UTC  

There is the debate over security vs freedom... I don;t necessarily agree that its a zero sum game

2018-07-03 13:08:03 UTC  

the thing is computers recognize faces well, but only 2 dimensionally. they dont recognizes faces in motion, different angles, behavure and disguises confuse them. super recognizers can actually use very little shown of a human face at multiple angles to recongize them. face scanning identification where your required to hold your face in a certain position will detect faces neer perfectly thats for sure, thats where you get your 98% effeciency from, you dont get it from tracking people with the millions of low tech ctv cameras throughout the uk

2018-07-03 13:08:09 UTC  

I think in the case of a natural disaster, social welfare is justifiable. Also in the case of a service shutdown of some sort.

2018-07-03 13:09:02 UTC  

@Arch-Fiend that's not true any more.. Ive watched facial recognition systems track 30 people across an open square, and identify each of the people in the scene in real time, and the face doesn't even need to be facing the camera.

2018-07-03 13:09:08 UTC  

the tech is both amazing, and terrifying

2018-07-03 13:09:37 UTC  

do they track the faces or do they identify the faces?

2018-07-03 13:09:49 UTC  

because face tracking and facial reognization are different things

2018-07-03 13:10:08 UTC  

face tracking can pick up faces that arnt even real

2018-07-03 13:10:09 UTC  


2018-07-03 13:10:18 UTC  

Right. Also, keep in mind we do not even need facial recognition anymore. Do you realize most people store their fingerprints in their phones now? People are handing over PII to tech firms willingly with known ties to government agencies and sign ToS's that justify the distribution of that data.

2018-07-03 13:10:33 UTC  

That's partially true

2018-07-03 13:10:34 UTC  

at what point is catching a murder no longer important enough?

2018-07-03 13:10:39 UTC  

your fingerprint isn't stored on your phone

2018-07-03 13:10:46 UTC  

The hash of your fingerprint is..

2018-07-03 13:10:53 UTC  

It's non-reversible.

2018-07-03 13:11:07 UTC  

You carry around a tracking/surveillance device in your pocket/purse.

2018-07-03 13:11:16 UTC  

Yes, you do.

2018-07-03 13:11:25 UTC  

Well, we SAY it's non-reversible. I don't know if it is or isn't at this point.

2018-07-03 13:11:41 UTC  

It has to be interpreted somehow, so if it can be translated in one way, it can be in the other as well.

2018-07-03 13:12:24 UTC  

you can't use GPS without requesting and receiving a GPS signal to your device, so you can't complain when someone is able to find your device to send that signal too.

2018-07-03 13:12:25 UTC  

It's a fundamental part of cryptography

2018-07-03 13:12:28 UTC  


2018-07-03 13:12:42 UTC  

You can generate the hash from the fingerprint, but you cant generate the fingerprint fromt he hash

2018-07-03 13:12:51 UTC  

Oh, I agree with you, I just don't trust government or tech firms not to lie about said non-reversibility.

2018-07-03 13:13:05 UTC  

@Grenade123 You're right about that.

2018-07-03 13:13:08 UTC  

Oh neither do i. Fortunately the math behind it doesn't lie

2018-07-03 13:13:23 UTC  

That what makes cryptology such an important asset to protect

2018-07-03 13:13:50 UTC  

Could be true, sure. I know only a bit about cryptography in tech.