Message from @Nicklii

Discord ID: 463701549001080843


2018-07-03 13:32:41 UTC  

tyvm

2018-07-03 13:34:16 UTC  

Also mass surveilence doesn't work

2018-07-03 13:34:38 UTC  

I think that would very from case-to-case

2018-07-03 13:34:50 UTC  

@ikillomega This is the video of an interview that four of us did on the Hard Bastard YouTube channel last month. @Canucklehead and I have been working on the story as YouTubers, and we had two Bernie delegate witnesses join from San Diego. @Timcast. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdynfibjB9o

2018-07-03 13:35:05 UTC  

Whether or not something works is entirely dependent on implementation and execution.

2018-07-03 13:35:12 UTC  
2018-07-03 13:35:26 UTC  

Also, Hard Bastard is awesome.

2018-07-03 13:35:41 UTC  

@ikillomega yeah i write 4 his webpage.

2018-07-03 13:35:50 UTC  

I have 3 articles on this topic on it.

2018-07-03 13:35:53 UTC  

Oh good deal. You guys do good work.

2018-07-03 13:36:03 UTC  

The only way mass surveilence can work, is if you allow the authorities to presume guilt,
Which means you have to strip the "innocent until proven guilty" from society

2018-07-03 13:36:47 UTC  

I can't tell you how many times i've seen news reports on like european terrorists for example

2018-07-03 13:37:16 UTC  

where the police chief says "Yeah, we've had our eye on this person for a while"

or "The terrorist was known to police for former activities"

2018-07-03 13:37:45 UTC  

So you knew he was up to something, but you didn't do anything, because he didn't do anything chargable yet

2018-07-03 13:37:51 UTC  

@ikillomega if u can please watch the video and repost it here later, bc otherwise it gets lost in the chat and never seen.

2018-07-03 13:41:21 UTC  

I'm watching now at work between tasks. I will re-post if I remember too, hahaha. If it gets busy and I have to pause and return a lot, I may forget, but I'll try to make it a point share again. Thanks for the good work!

2018-07-03 13:42:58 UTC  

ctv survalience is probably a very useful system consitering how many businesses adopted it before it even became manditory security in the uk

2018-07-03 13:43:42 UTC  

you mean cctv?

2018-07-03 13:44:09 UTC  

yeah sorry, people say the cc so fast it sounds just like a c to me

2018-07-03 13:44:21 UTC  

thats private use, not public

2018-07-03 13:44:24 UTC  

ctv sound like som tv channel

2018-07-03 13:44:54 UTC  

its private use until the government requests it because you cant refuse the government any evidence for a crime if they have a warent

2018-07-03 13:46:10 UTC  
2018-07-03 13:46:17 UTC  

"weve been tracking a suspect and have reason to believe he was here and may have been picked up by your cameras please give us the footage between _ and _"

2018-07-03 13:46:22 UTC  

its still private surveilance, businesses can't just set up cameras outside their property

2018-07-03 13:47:56 UTC  

it annoys me that discord doesetn know the difference between _ and -

2018-07-03 13:48:12 UTC  

__it doesnt?__

2018-07-03 13:48:20 UTC  

oh wait it does, then why does 2 _ act the same way as 2 -?

2018-07-03 13:48:21 UTC  

--are you sure?--

2018-07-03 13:48:42 UTC  

-word- _word_

2018-07-03 13:48:46 UTC  

oh

2018-07-03 13:48:57 UTC  

the difference is that the store is using it to keep track of their assets, and find someone afterward

the government uses it with the goal of finding someone to prevent BEFOREHAND.

And you can't really do that cuz you're either bound by the law, or gotta presume guilt

2018-07-03 13:49:42 UTC  

so i think were talking about the patriot act now?

2018-07-03 13:49:57 UTC  

because before we were talking about different forms of survalience

2018-07-03 13:50:15 UTC  

I dunno i joined in when we were talking about public surveilance

2018-07-03 13:53:20 UTC  

this entire conversation (ironicly we should have gone to <#463068752725016579>) was about biometric identification and how it can be used to track people more if you just went and required people to use their id for more things but my argument was that requiring id for more things is the part of biometrics which acts as tracking not the method of identification, then it became a debate whether its the governements job to have an identification system which i argued yes because it cant effectively track its border if it doesent know its own citizinery and it cant prevent identity theft if it has no confermation system to give its citizines the ability to say they are who they say they are any more than someone else claiming to be them.

2018-07-03 13:55:12 UTC  

i think the united states government basicly having a tap on every phone in the united states and many abroad is a bit of a different form of survalience that has no justification in my opinion and i agree it basicly doesent solve anything

2018-07-03 14:21:58 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/398858182455459853/463711002307854336/image.png

2018-07-03 14:22:00 UTC  

“ Legal experts say Mueller team likely gained access to NRA tax filing: report “ by Avery Anapol on The Hill

Mueller brings another red herring to the Trump Russia investigation. The truth is unimportant. This is propaganda set to attack the NRA and Trump in one blow.

http://archive.today/LzTb0

2018-07-03 15:03:50 UTC  

Just shows they have NOTHING on him,

else they wouldn't have to do this