Message from @Starscream92 (ChefLeopard)

Discord ID: 463698578968412161


2018-07-03 13:27:09 UTC  

Orwell ~might~ would disagree with that.,

2018-07-03 13:27:40 UTC  

orwell didint grow up in salem

2018-07-03 13:27:52 UTC  

like i asked, at what point is catching a murderer no longer that important to you? At what point, as a business owner, is it not worth it to catch a thief and get back stolen goods?

2018-07-03 13:28:09 UTC  

Keep in mind, "as much power as you think" is subjective and immeasurable. Government will seek power where it can get it.

2018-07-03 13:28:28 UTC  

This is proven by history.

2018-07-03 13:28:53 UTC  

The moment catching a murderer requires the impinging of civil liberties, including privacy, its a bridge too far.

2018-07-03 13:29:08 UTC  

There are compromises to make, but we shoudl always err on the side of privacy

2018-07-03 13:29:16 UTC  

You lot are conflating a lot of each others ground here and crafting an "all or nothing" scenario here,

surveilance should be done outside private property (unless authorised)

problem solved?

2018-07-03 13:29:32 UTC  

Yep. It's just like the Patriot Act, which is fundamentally unconstitutional.

2018-07-03 13:30:02 UTC  

It's not an "all or nothing" scenario so much as it is attempting to curtail a growth of state power before it can become totalitarian.

2018-07-03 13:30:21 UTC  

If you approach such ideas with a shrug "this time", it eventually snowballs.

2018-07-03 13:30:26 UTC  

we're a bit past that point alraedy, about 20 years?

2018-07-03 13:30:35 UTC  

I would agree with that, sure.

2018-07-03 13:31:12 UTC  

just live in a mafia run part of a town, no longer need to worry about the government

2018-07-03 13:31:25 UTC  

...and why is that?

2018-07-03 13:31:29 UTC  

I'm actively trying to avoid those. I'm rational enough to know there is legitimate call for some metadata retention.. And noone is really saying that tracking down a murderer can't be done with metadata... But My point remains is the bias should be toward the protection of liberty and privacy. not the increased power of the states surveillance machine.

2018-07-03 13:31:40 UTC  

Could it be that government is corruptible and very, very bias?

2018-07-03 13:31:45 UTC  

Its because people stopped caring,
They get the 3 emotional fixes in life,

Entertainment, Food, Social contact

As long as you give the people those 3, they'll give you power

2018-07-03 13:32:09 UTC  

@Timcast I hope you saw the video I posted yesterday. I left a SuperChat yesterday about a news story that I've been working on.

2018-07-03 13:32:29 UTC  

@Starscream92 (ChefLeopard) could you repost?

2018-07-03 13:32:36 UTC  

OK. Hold up.

2018-07-03 13:32:41 UTC  

tyvm

2018-07-03 13:34:16 UTC  

Also mass surveilence doesn't work

2018-07-03 13:34:38 UTC  

I think that would very from case-to-case

2018-07-03 13:34:50 UTC  

@ikillomega This is the video of an interview that four of us did on the Hard Bastard YouTube channel last month. @Canucklehead and I have been working on the story as YouTubers, and we had two Bernie delegate witnesses join from San Diego. @Timcast. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdynfibjB9o

2018-07-03 13:35:05 UTC  

Whether or not something works is entirely dependent on implementation and execution.

2018-07-03 13:35:12 UTC  
2018-07-03 13:35:26 UTC  

Also, Hard Bastard is awesome.

2018-07-03 13:35:41 UTC  

@ikillomega yeah i write 4 his webpage.

2018-07-03 13:35:50 UTC  

I have 3 articles on this topic on it.

2018-07-03 13:35:53 UTC  

Oh good deal. You guys do good work.

2018-07-03 13:36:03 UTC  

The only way mass surveilence can work, is if you allow the authorities to presume guilt,
Which means you have to strip the "innocent until proven guilty" from society

2018-07-03 13:36:47 UTC  

I can't tell you how many times i've seen news reports on like european terrorists for example

2018-07-03 13:37:16 UTC  

where the police chief says "Yeah, we've had our eye on this person for a while"

or "The terrorist was known to police for former activities"

2018-07-03 13:37:45 UTC  

So you knew he was up to something, but you didn't do anything, because he didn't do anything chargable yet

2018-07-03 13:37:51 UTC  

@ikillomega if u can please watch the video and repost it here later, bc otherwise it gets lost in the chat and never seen.

2018-07-03 13:41:21 UTC  

I'm watching now at work between tasks. I will re-post if I remember too, hahaha. If it gets busy and I have to pause and return a lot, I may forget, but I'll try to make it a point share again. Thanks for the good work!

2018-07-03 13:42:58 UTC  

ctv survalience is probably a very useful system consitering how many businesses adopted it before it even became manditory security in the uk

2018-07-03 13:43:42 UTC  

you mean cctv?

2018-07-03 13:44:09 UTC  

yeah sorry, people say the cc so fast it sounds just like a c to me

2018-07-03 13:44:21 UTC  

thats private use, not public