Message from @Lucian
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Absolutely context matters.
In ALL of this context matters.
Let's go tell scotts
There absolutely are problems with the police system.
I think the main issue I have with Poptarts' outlook is that he blames the waiter for the Head Chef's menu, if you follow my metaphor.
lol guess im going to have to laugh myself to sleep now
Basically, to blame the police for the laws they enforce isn't addressing the problem.
"just following orders" ... where have we heard that before
that's not what he said
It both was and wasn't.
There's an element of it in there.
^
I'll be fair on that point.
okay.... you have made my point for me then. thank you
Yeah, when the chief orders the Berkeley police force to stand down
That's pretty damned fucked up.
i think the point was more, people are going to follow orders, and you should go after who's giving the orders if you want things to actually change, because the people following the orders don't hold any actual power
"just following orders" was something that was said *after* the one giving the orders was dead
that last sentence...
Needs correction, I think...
but they still hold responsibility for their actions too ... as we have learned from the Nuremberg trials
well, it was a very extreme example. obviously a bullet isn't an ideal option for solving problems
What we arrive at, is that the chief serves at the city council's behest, and the city council serves at the people's behest.
Heart breaking
The entire point of our representative form of government is for it to manage the interests of all parties.
Of all constituents.
too much excessive force and abuse of authority going on... plain and simple..... not difficult to see at all
On that, we can agree.
At least on the abuse of authority
I still think we disagree on who is abusing it though
It's worth keeping in mind, each of these police departments are a separate entity.
some aren't nearly as bad as others.
police departments is just *corporations* at the end of the day. time to start holding them by the same standards/expectations/liabilities that we expect of friendly neighborhood businesses and other companies that we CHOOSE to do businesses with in the true name of pro-consumer-choice
You haven't explained how a security firm would operate differently.
need a more effective mechanism to shut down abusive police departments, and yes, i have already... not goign to repeat myself over and over
im leaving at this now, where we have found common ground, etc .... logging out now. good night
That's the 3rd time you said you are going to go off
i know... smh 😔
someones getting off i hear? 😉