Message from @Lucian

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2018-07-09 08:11:13 UTC  

Absolutely context matters.

2018-07-09 08:11:17 UTC  

In ALL of this context matters.

2018-07-09 08:11:24 UTC  

Let's go tell scotts

2018-07-09 08:12:34 UTC  

There absolutely are problems with the police system.

2018-07-09 08:13:16 UTC  

I think the main issue I have with Poptarts' outlook is that he blames the waiter for the Head Chef's menu, if you follow my metaphor.

2018-07-09 08:14:18 UTC  

lol guess im going to have to laugh myself to sleep now

2018-07-09 08:14:45 UTC  

Basically, to blame the police for the laws they enforce isn't addressing the problem.

2018-07-09 08:15:19 UTC  

"just following orders" ... where have we heard that before

2018-07-09 08:15:40 UTC  

that's not what he said

2018-07-09 08:15:51 UTC  

It both was and wasn't.

2018-07-09 08:15:55 UTC  

There's an element of it in there.

2018-07-09 08:16:01 UTC  

^

2018-07-09 08:16:01 UTC  

I'll be fair on that point.

2018-07-09 08:16:20 UTC  

okay.... you have made my point for me then. thank you

2018-07-09 08:16:37 UTC  

Yeah, when the chief orders the Berkeley police force to stand down

2018-07-09 08:16:48 UTC  

That's pretty damned fucked up.

2018-07-09 08:17:49 UTC  

i think the point was more, people are going to follow orders, and you should go after who's giving the orders if you want things to actually change, because the people following the orders don't hold any actual power

2018-07-09 08:18:13 UTC  

"just following orders" was something that was said *after* the one giving the orders was dead

2018-07-09 08:18:30 UTC  

that last sentence...

2018-07-09 08:18:38 UTC  

Needs correction, I think...

2018-07-09 08:18:56 UTC  

But then again, sometimes the minion uses more force then necessary

2018-07-09 08:19:38 UTC  

but they still hold responsibility for their actions too ... as we have learned from the Nuremberg trials

2018-07-09 08:19:42 UTC  

well, it was a very extreme example. obviously a bullet isn't an ideal option for solving problems

2018-07-09 08:19:49 UTC  

What we arrive at, is that the chief serves at the city council's behest, and the city council serves at the people's behest.

2018-07-09 08:19:53 UTC  

Heart breaking

2018-07-09 08:20:27 UTC  

The entire point of our representative form of government is for it to manage the interests of all parties.

2018-07-09 08:20:43 UTC  

Of all constituents.

2018-07-09 08:20:54 UTC  

too much excessive force and abuse of authority going on... plain and simple..... not difficult to see at all

2018-07-09 08:21:06 UTC  

On that, we can agree.

2018-07-09 08:22:03 UTC  

At least on the abuse of authority

2018-07-09 08:22:22 UTC  

I still think we disagree on who is abusing it though

2018-07-09 08:25:36 UTC  

It's worth keeping in mind, each of these police departments are a separate entity.

2018-07-09 08:26:02 UTC  

some aren't nearly as bad as others.

2018-07-09 08:27:09 UTC  

police departments is just *corporations* at the end of the day. time to start holding them by the same standards/expectations/liabilities that we expect of friendly neighborhood businesses and other companies that we CHOOSE to do businesses with in the true name of pro-consumer-choice

2018-07-09 08:27:51 UTC  

You haven't explained how a security firm would operate differently.

2018-07-09 08:28:45 UTC  

need a more effective mechanism to shut down abusive police departments, and yes, i have already... not goign to repeat myself over and over

2018-07-09 08:29:41 UTC  

im leaving at this now, where we have found common ground, etc .... logging out now. good night

2018-07-09 08:30:20 UTC  

That's the 3rd time you said you are going to go off

2018-07-09 08:31:01 UTC  

i know... smh 😔

2018-07-09 10:42:45 UTC  

someones getting off i hear? 😉