Message from @Grenade123

Discord ID: 465878394320584706


2018-07-09 10:42:45 UTC  

someones getting off i hear? 😉

2018-07-09 12:17:52 UTC  

"'HUGS, NOT BULLETS': Mexico's New President Reveals Plan To Stop Drug Cartels"

2018-07-09 12:18:22 UTC  

Mexico is showing how id look if Bernie would have won.....

2018-07-09 12:21:06 UTC  

funny tho, Mexico is basically ancap dream made manifest 😉 and its a hellhole

2018-07-09 12:21:31 UTC  

and now showing the fruits i promised it would,

Its switching socialist hugbox

2018-07-09 12:55:28 UTC  

Pretty much, a nation with a govt. Justice has to be paid for. Private security (the cartels) that only protect payers.

2018-07-09 12:55:39 UTC  

A govt that is more bark than bite.

2018-07-09 13:47:33 UTC  

@Dr.Wol "but thats not real ancap"

2018-07-09 13:47:38 UTC  

no joke, been told that

2018-07-09 13:47:44 UTC  

was in an ancap server once

2018-07-09 13:48:24 UTC  

quit once i had debunked enough stuff and they started just ignoring the results of the argument and then going to a new person and try to bring it up again

2018-07-09 13:49:04 UTC  

i asked them "why not go to Somalia? Surely it is easier to start your dream there than make the US more ancap?"

2018-07-09 13:49:08 UTC  

😄

2018-07-09 13:49:14 UTC  

Somalia, Ancap paradise

2018-07-09 13:49:27 UTC  

no government, as opposed to a weak one in Mexico

2018-07-09 13:49:51 UTC  

and they would then start lining up similar excuses leftists do as to why they don't move to venezuela

2018-07-09 13:52:14 UTC  

It would be funny to actually witness an ancap circlejerk i think

"Ugh, damn government, we would be so good by now"
"Yeah"
"We wud be Kaangzz"
"Yeah, fuck the government and the workers"
"Yeah! we would make the world so great"

2018-07-09 13:54:02 UTC  

I can see if my friend who is still in it can give you a link

2018-07-09 13:54:09 UTC  

idk if they still argue as much since i left

2018-07-09 13:54:24 UTC  

they didn't take kindly to me twisting their own logic around on them

2018-07-09 13:54:42 UTC  

making them realize that no, god doesn't actually dictate who's land is who's

2018-07-09 13:55:23 UTC  

actually managed to get one to be a little less an-cap when i made him realize that what is his property is basically what i agree is his property.

2018-07-09 13:55:48 UTC  

otherwise its just whatever you currently possess at the time/can defend

2018-07-09 13:56:06 UTC  

i.e., if you leave your house, its no longer YOUR house unless i agree that it is your house

2018-07-09 14:08:32 UTC  

unless you leave someone to enforce your claim to the house

2018-07-09 14:08:48 UTC  

and even if you don't leave your house, if i don't agree, i can come take it

2018-07-09 14:08:55 UTC  

try to atleast

2018-07-09 14:09:08 UTC  

but i get your point

2018-07-09 14:09:43 UTC  

well if you leave someone to enforce your claim, its technically THEIR house unless they agree to give it back once you return....or you oust them.

2018-07-09 14:09:56 UTC  

well, yes, technically

2018-07-09 14:10:39 UTC  

boy did that Russel some jimmies, because most of them agreed the foundation of most forms of government came out of necessity to set private property rules

2018-07-09 14:11:24 UTC  

so having to admit that you need to cooperate with your neighbors to define what is private property, lead way to having some kind of local government.

2018-07-09 14:11:25 UTC  

yeah, thats a thing ancaps conveniently forget,
Government is there to enforce peoples claim to their property

2018-07-09 14:11:58 UTC  

and what happens when when a bunch of local governments group up? you get a larger government

2018-07-09 14:12:04 UTC  

I mentioned this yesterdy in the debate channel when arguing with poptart about ancaps

Ancaps pretty much just want their own smaller government where they think they will be king

2018-07-09 14:12:21 UTC  

and so on, and so on, until i disproved their idea that government has no rightful claim to do what it is doing.

2018-07-09 14:12:23 UTC  

but those get swept away by a bigger collective

2018-07-09 14:12:49 UTC  

and then they tuned out, forgot what we just talked about, and said to new people "the government is not legitimate"

2018-07-09 14:13:00 UTC  

In an Ancap world,

Negan is king

2018-07-09 14:13:22 UTC  

i also argued that what they wanted was a return to tribalism.