i think the point was more, people are going to follow orders, and you should go after who's giving the orders if you want things to actually change, because the people following the orders don't hold any actual power

"just following orders" was something that was said *after* the one giving the orders was dead

that last sentence...

Needs correction, I think...

But then again, sometimes the minion uses more force then necessary

but they still hold responsibility for their actions too ... as we have learned from the Nuremberg trials

https://youtu.be/oJxoyngDVvM

well, it was a very extreme example. obviously a bullet isn't an ideal option for solving problems

What we arrive at, is that the chief serves at the city council's behest, and the city council serves at the people's behest.

Heart breaking

The entire point of our representative form of government is for it to manage the interests of all parties.

Of all constituents.

too much excessive force and abuse of authority going on... plain and simple..... not difficult to see at all

On that, we can agree.

At least on the abuse of authority

I still think we disagree on who is abusing it though

It's worth keeping in mind, each of these police departments are a separate entity.

some aren't nearly as bad as others.

police departments is just *corporations* at the end of the day. time to start holding them by the same standards/expectations/liabilities that we expect of friendly neighborhood businesses and other companies that we CHOOSE to do businesses with in the true name of pro-consumer-choice

You haven't explained how a security firm would operate differently.

need a more effective mechanism to shut down abusive police departments, and yes, i have already... not goign to repeat myself over and over

im leaving at this now, where we have found common ground, etc .... logging out now. good night

That's the 3rd time you said you are going to go off

i know... smh 😔

someones getting off i hear? 😉

https://www.dailywire.com/news/32742/hugs-not-bullets-mexicos-new-president-reveals-ryan-saavedra?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=benshapiro

"'HUGS, NOT BULLETS': Mexico's New President Reveals Plan To Stop Drug Cartels"

Mexico is showing how id look if Bernie would have won.....

funny tho, Mexico is basically ancap dream made manifest 😉 and its a hellhole

and now showing the fruits i promised it would,

Its switching socialist hugbox

Pretty much, a nation with a govt. Justice has to be paid for. Private security (the cartels) that only protect payers.

A govt that is more bark than bite.

@Dr.Wol "but thats not real ancap"

no joke, been told that

was in an ancap server once

quit once i had debunked enough stuff and they started just ignoring the results of the argument and then going to a new person and try to bring it up again

i asked them "why not go to Somalia? Surely it is easier to start your dream there than make the US more ancap?"

😄

Somalia, Ancap paradise

no government, as opposed to a weak one in Mexico

and they would then start lining up similar excuses leftists do as to why they don't move to venezuela