Message from @Schedrevka

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2018-07-09 14:12:04 UTC  

I mentioned this yesterdy in the debate channel when arguing with poptart about ancaps

Ancaps pretty much just want their own smaller government where they think they will be king

2018-07-09 14:12:21 UTC  

and so on, and so on, until i disproved their idea that government has no rightful claim to do what it is doing.

2018-07-09 14:12:23 UTC  

but those get swept away by a bigger collective

2018-07-09 14:12:49 UTC  

and then they tuned out, forgot what we just talked about, and said to new people "the government is not legitimate"

2018-07-09 14:13:00 UTC  

In an Ancap world,

Negan is king

2018-07-09 14:13:22 UTC  

i also argued that what they wanted was a return to tribalism.

2018-07-09 14:13:27 UTC  

which they tried to tell me no

2018-07-09 14:13:47 UTC  

the warlord with the biggest collective following him, will just crush any Ancap group, take their stuff, expand and conquer more
Until you have an Empire under their new Emperor (the warlord)

2018-07-09 14:13:47 UTC  

but couldn't explain how

2018-07-09 14:14:00 UTC  

yep

2018-07-09 14:14:10 UTC  

"but community defense!" they cried

2018-07-09 14:14:40 UTC  

which, to an extent, and armed population is much harder to conquer

2018-07-09 14:14:59 UTC  

See how community defense works when the US military tramples through your front door

In an ancap world theres no "country" so its just small communities

2018-07-09 14:15:03 UTC  

but you still need a military to answer another military

2018-07-09 14:15:18 UTC  

Iraq stood a better defense against a country like America than an Ancap society ever will

2018-07-09 14:15:20 UTC  

just small communities, aka tribalism

2018-07-09 14:15:23 UTC  

yes

2018-07-09 14:15:28 UTC  

tribe-sized small communities

2018-07-09 14:15:48 UTC  

that was my next argument, that going back to tribalism, we will just progress back to here most likely.

2018-07-09 14:15:56 UTC  

so why not fix now

2018-07-09 14:15:57 UTC  

An armed population is far harder to conquer assuming you're not willing to go all razed earth on them

2018-07-09 14:16:28 UTC  

but its the same falacy

"If people just did what I want, things would work out"

In socialist utopia, everyone gladly works to the max, during all time
In Ancap utopia, everyone works and theres no hostilities between people

2018-07-09 14:16:29 UTC  

razed earth really doesn't do anyone any good

2018-07-09 14:16:38 UTC  

unless you are really afraid of them

2018-07-09 14:16:44 UTC  

or just spiteful

2018-07-09 14:16:44 UTC  

Or are just after the land

2018-07-09 14:16:59 UTC  

what is the point of land if you have destroyed all the resources

2018-07-09 14:16:59 UTC  

the uk government is falling appart

2018-07-09 14:17:12 UTC  

anyone else paying attention to that?

2018-07-09 14:17:13 UTC  

You don't have to destroy all the resources to wipe out the population

2018-07-09 14:17:22 UTC  

haha

2018-07-09 14:17:27 UTC  

Idiots those brits

2018-07-09 14:18:33 UTC  

the uk might be the next place that tim needs to go to depending on what happens in the neer future

2018-07-09 14:18:38 UTC  

I legit was in support of brexit and hoped them the best because britain was in an ideal trading position,
And with Trumps Tarrif war, Russian/European relations in the tub due to "muuh, Russia", and the migrant problem

Britains position at the table is a golden throne vs a nylon carpet

2018-07-09 14:19:02 UTC  

but looking at how the brits are dealing this, i'll laugh at every bad thing that happens to them

2018-07-09 14:19:33 UTC  

unfortunately a good portion of my friends are british so i cant laugh much

2018-07-09 14:20:04 UTC  

they have to live with this mind you

2018-07-09 14:20:06 UTC  

wouldn't it be hilarious if Sargoyle is forced to go into politics cuz his country is falling appart? 😂

2018-07-09 14:20:06 UTC  

laugh and offer them refuge

2018-07-09 14:20:21 UTC  

and by go into politics i mean, Sargoyle MP