thats why i keep asking

like if you want to be protected than you have to be consistent

but trans has changed like 3 times AT LEAST

@JustTom , I won't speak that broadly. I will just say the standards should be the same. That said, I think the standards should be appropriate for the needs of a particular duty.

sorry, gonna be offensive but i saw military and all i could think of was this https://youtu.be/kHcx8bDloaI?list=PLBitIgZ_UvGE_nSHfNDjkxseubC2Kixrx&t=528

"I'm injecting 55ccs of estrogen"

Soviet is great

Sex, gender, and gender expression are three different things

Sexual orientation is a fourth

Women dont belong in military.
And nether does mentally ill people.

"Its AIDS"

Is @Jasse having fun trolling or do you mean it

Well, then I have to fundamentally disagree with you. I believe that the repeated drops in standards just to allow women to join is damaging the military as a whole. I believe that women should've always been allowed in as clearly as men, but that if they ARE joining the military, it's their duty to meet the same requirements that a man would. The requirements should not be isolated by "man" or "woman" they should be "Soldier" requirements. Period.

"I now pronounce you legally dead"

Yes Fritz, we get it. @Jasse

I mean it. Why would women belong in miltary?

@JustTom , then you are denying the military some kick ass trauma surgeons

Or mentally ill people?

What do you mean by mentally ill? I know a lot of boys who have ADD and do rather well in the Army and Marine Corp.

Trans people are by the definition mentally ill.

I'm not saying to not let them join. I'm saying that you should set a clear requirement based on the branch you are joining.

Sure, have a lower standard for talented medical staff, I'm fine with that. But set it equally.

My issue is the universal lowering of all standards just to allow women in.

@JustTom , so you don't believe special forces should have higher standards? What about people as they age? You mean a 45 yo bird colonel should meet the same standards as a boot ensign?

Yeah, I agree with equal based on the job a person is filling

I never said that at all. I said that they need to fit the standard for their position. And not to adjust the bar by gender, or to universally lower the bar until women can fulfill it.

@Jasse, why do you say this?

"Women are equal! But requiring us to lift as much as men is sexist!"
"But...if they are equal, why does the standard need to be lowered? that implies they are weaker"
"MYSOGYNIST!"
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Of course special forces need high standards. Its only for the best.

@Beemann , what questions do you have about trans? As far as the definitions, we're trying to figure it out ourselves.

The standards should be appropriate for the job and to ensure enough recruits are found to fill the billets.

Well no I was just saying if it was defined as a sex designation and not a gender one there wouldn't be any legislative issues

Thank you @Grenade123 it's good to know someone understands what I'm saying.

I am pretty sure whatever bar you set that you can find women who can meet the same bar unless you set it so high you won't get enough men to fill the billets.

@DrYuriMom because its fact.

@DrYuriMom Then that would be a great bar to set, and all women who meet it, I am 100% in favor of letting join.

what I am against is continually lowering the bar, specifically to make it so more women can join

Also, I'll be blunt, even for special forces there are things a woman can do that a man just can't. Namely, infiltrate as a woman and be able to pass inspection as one.

because Jasse believes in a large state that likes to send its males to the slaughter so it needs baby factories. I mean, you need to be at war 24/7 to justify oppressing your people

and for those specific situations, I 100% support finding women who are qualified for the initial stages of the ops, and then giving them necessary special training that may even be on a different tier than male training, to allow for those unique situations. but those ARE unique situations.

My wife and I had our replacement two. :p

@Grenade123 if you send your woman to field, what are you even protecting then?

your house, family, friends, children you may already have

Your country, your ideals, your way of life.