Message from Elk in GabberHangout #general

2016-12-28 21:45:36 UTC  

Yes, judgements of Jewish god Yahweh against other people because they, well, existed

2016-12-28 21:45:51 UTC  

But you need to understand the audience it was targeting, it was written by a Jew primarily for Jews

2016-12-28 21:46:09 UTC  

"Judgements" were nothing but carefully planned military conquests, which apparently fit greatly with Gospel of John eh ?

2016-12-28 21:46:18 UTC  

Jew who would have been familiar with the Egyptian plagues that liberated their ancestors in Eqypt for instance...

2016-12-28 21:47:11 UTC  

what the fuck did i just read

2016-12-28 21:47:14 UTC  

not all this but

2016-12-28 21:47:16 UTC  

that quote

2016-12-28 21:47:33 UTC  

btw HELLO @JossiYONE - hope you are well.

2016-12-28 21:47:37 UTC  


2016-12-28 21:47:46 UTC  

@JossiYONE Hope you are well.

2016-12-28 21:47:49 UTC  


2016-12-28 21:47:55 UTC  

So, 3 millions jews running from a murderous and militarily superior Egyptian force wanting them to re-enter servitude as slaves was a carefully planned military conquest?

2016-12-28 21:47:58 UTC  

you can't @ everyone?

2016-12-28 21:49:05 UTC  

@MrGoat you mean me?

2016-12-28 21:49:05 UTC  

@ShadowKhukuri do you even realise how uncoherent that story is. Were they let go by Egyptians or not ? If yes, why would they chase. If they were not let go, but booted out, why would anybody chase them ? And if they claim they escaped, why on earth would they invent the whole story of 7 plagues ?

2016-12-28 21:49:06 UTC  


2016-12-28 21:49:44 UTC  

@diversity_is_racism sorry to hear 😦

2016-12-28 21:49:47 UTC  

@ShadowKhukuri The story how Egyptians suddenly out of no good reason decided to chase them is the most half-splittingly laughable attempt to fit the narrative with real historical context

2016-12-28 21:49:59 UTC  

Because obviously, people at the time knew much better what actually happened

2016-12-28 21:50:16 UTC  

Don't stand in front of me if you're getting shot at. I don't want to be the secondary victim and also get AIDS from an AIDS bullet.

2016-12-28 21:50:51 UTC  

congratulatons Brett, spread it to everyone who agrees with our worldview

2016-12-28 21:50:54 UTC  

@The Enlightened Shepherd , their leader was a god king who didn't exactly have a record of being rational and consistent...I am not surprised that under his rule his military behaved in like fashion.

2016-12-28 21:51:10 UTC  

If they escaped, were chased, and made up the plague story, perhaps it was to convince people it would be a bad idea to make them slaves, or they'll get plagued too?

2016-12-28 21:51:16 UTC  

@ShadowKhukuri Nobody knows who the Ruler was at the time. Exodus does not mention his name

2016-12-28 21:52:08 UTC  

@ShadowKhukuri The only thing we know for sure was that Egypt was quite developed compared to Palestine, and that it was a patriotic, secluded society

2016-12-28 21:53:47 UTC  

@The Enlightened Shepherd

That is interesting that you say that...

Because a real named person said the following in the scriptures...

Joshua 2:8-11New International Version (NIV)

8 Before the spies lay down for the night, she went up on the roof 9 and said to them, “I know that the Lord has given you this land and that a great fear of you has fallen on us, so that all who live in this country are melting in fear because of you. 10 We have heard how the Lord dried up the water of the Red Sea[a] for you when you came out of Egypt, and what you did to Sihon and Og, the two kings of the Amorites east of the Jordan, whom you completely destroyed.[b] 11 When we heard of it, our hearts melted in fear and everyone’s courage failed because of you, for the Lord your God is God in heaven above and on the earth below.

2016-12-28 21:54:25 UTC  

AAhhhh the noble Joshua !

2016-12-28 21:54:34 UTC  

Rahab the prostitute who housed the Jewish spies...

We know she is real (as best as we can) because she is an ancestor of King David

2016-12-28 21:54:36 UTC  

Nice and stereotypical megalomania on his part there

2016-12-28 21:54:45 UTC  

let me bring some more treasure from that vile preacher

2016-12-28 21:55:21 UTC  

and 2) How on earth could she know about the Egyptians and their fate in advance of the spies coming unless it were true

2016-12-28 21:55:33 UTC  

She said "all who live in this country are in fear of you"

2016-12-28 21:56:14 UTC  

so, just because we don't know the name of that god king/pharaoh of egypt, doesn't mean what happened in the Exodus was false.

2016-12-28 21:56:33 UTC  

15 And it came to pass on the seventh day, that they rose early about the dawning of the day, and compassed the city after the same manner seven times: only on that day they compassed the city seven times.

16 And it came to pass at the seventh time, when the priests blew with the trumpets, Joshua said unto the people, Shout; for the Lord hath given you the city.

17 And the city shall be accursed, even it, and all that are therein, to the Lord: only Rahab the harlot shall live, she and all that are with her in the house, because she hid the messengers that we sent.

18 And ye, in any wise keep yourselves from the accursed thing, lest ye make yourselves accursed, when ye take of the accursed thing, and make the camp of Israel a curse, and trouble it.

19 But all the silver, and gold, and vessels of brass and iron, are consecrated unto the Lord: they shall come into the treasury of the Lord.

20 So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city.

21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.

22 But Joshua had said unto the two men that had spied out the country, Go into the harlot's house, and bring out thence the woman, and all that she hath, as ye sware unto her.

23 And the young men that were spies went in, and brought out Rahab, and her father, and her mother, and her brethren, and all that she had; and they brought out all her kindred, and left them without the camp of Israel.

2016-12-28 21:56:35 UTC  

It would seem, at least from this line of evidence, that there is some truth to that narrative....

2016-12-28 21:57:12 UTC  

*rubbing hands and shaking the shekels*

2016-12-28 21:57:31 UTC  

I will read what you said on Joshua, but can you comment on Rahab's account that The Egyptians pursuing the Jews did happen?

2016-12-28 21:58:11 UTC  

What do I have to comment on that? It's all made up fantasy

2016-12-28 21:58:29 UTC  

can you prove that? Or....

2016-12-28 21:58:38 UTC  

For all we know, Jews were an utter non-event in entire history of Egypt