Message from @Stefan Payne

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2019-01-25 12:31:14 UTC  

oof

2019-01-25 12:35:15 UTC  

Somehow I don't think its a bad decision...

2019-01-25 12:36:32 UTC  

i think it is. nobody should care, yet alone force someone by law.

2019-01-25 12:51:06 UTC  

well

2019-01-25 12:51:45 UTC  

after seeing women>male trans gay couple having one of them revert for a while back to woman so she can give birth...

2019-01-25 12:52:20 UTC  

i dont see them as sane and i believe they're not fit to have children

2019-01-25 12:53:12 UTC  

though honestly i believe trans should be marked as former gender x on their id

2019-01-25 12:53:43 UTC  

if they want to change their id 😛

2019-01-25 12:53:47 UTC  

or birth gender

2019-01-25 13:07:38 UTC  

so mentally ill people are not allowed to have children?

2019-01-25 13:08:29 UTC  

then i would sterilize every mentally ill person.
trans, gay, religious, drugusers, alcoholics, gamers ...

2019-01-25 13:08:44 UTC  

good suggestion 😉

2019-01-25 13:15:15 UTC  

Not in america. Freedom of religion, for good or ill.

2019-01-25 13:15:43 UTC  

I would at least reclassify it as a mental disorder though, provided the research supported it.

2019-01-25 13:47:48 UTC  

ill ? no, but given how often those people are aggressive and try to force their ideals on other people i feel they're not fit to be parents.

2019-01-25 13:48:40 UTC  

Until they start acting like civilized people i definitely won't support them having children. Theres enough idiots raising kids already, no need to add to that pool

2019-01-25 13:49:51 UTC  

I used to be pro gay marriage, child adoption etc.. but they went over the line long ago and only proved ridiculous conservative fears

2019-01-25 13:52:05 UTC  

"Japan's Supreme Court rules trans people have to get sterilised"

so they support trans rights and are making them get a sex change surgery? See, this is how you compromise

2019-01-25 14:05:54 UTC  

```so mentally ill people are not allowed to have children?```
Trans is a special kind of mental illness...
And it isn't treated right, thanks to the glorification of the left...

2019-01-25 14:06:11 UTC  

And both want to be of the other gender, thus be infertile, if "done right" anyway.

2019-01-25 14:12:18 UTC  

What japan did is debatable

2019-01-25 14:12:23 UTC  

Logically it makes sense

2019-01-25 14:12:34 UTC  

Morally i bet some.people would say its wrong to.do.that

2019-01-25 14:18:15 UTC  

I’m very uncomfortable with forced sterilization regardless of the circumstances

2019-01-25 14:19:21 UTC  

If somebody is so detestable or mentally ill where they shouldn’t be having babies they should either be in jail or in a mental institution

2019-01-25 14:19:32 UTC  

Let me say it that way: in 20 years you'll say that the Japanese were right on this issue.

2019-01-25 14:19:40 UTC  

because they thought logically, not emotionally.

2019-01-25 14:19:57 UTC  

see <#509549100061163520>

2019-01-25 14:20:33 UTC  

There are so few trans people in Japan and probably even fewer that want to have babies I doubt it will make a difference either way

2019-01-25 14:20:48 UTC  

No, but here we have a ton of those.

2019-01-25 14:20:51 UTC  

and they might have children.

2019-01-25 14:20:58 UTC  

and of those children you will hear in 20 years.

2019-01-25 14:21:24 UTC  

never expected japan of all places to be anti-futanari

2019-01-25 14:21:33 UTC  

I fear that like 50% of them might be abused, maybe even more. And I mean that also in a sexual way.

2019-01-25 14:23:03 UTC  

this ruling isint likely to stand very long to be honest

2019-01-25 14:23:16 UTC  

that’s just speculation without any actual proof, they said the same thing about the infamous “crack babies” of the 80s and 90s

2019-01-25 14:24:21 UTC  

I don’t really see a reason why gay or transgender parents are any more or less likely to molest their kids than straight parents

2019-01-25 14:28:53 UTC  

In both cases of kids being molested by the parents the incidence rate is incredibly low, “punishment” of trans parents through forced sterilization is essentially punishment of a large population of innocent parents

2019-01-25 14:35:04 UTC  

i think this is an interesting case because what we are calling forced is more of a matter of qualification. the japanese government does not force anything on anyone in this case but will not lable you the gender you want to have in their official language unless you meet criteria which with modern technology requires you to give up your reproductive capabilitys perminantly because they are basing your gender purely on your apparent sexual characteristics not even your technical sexual characteristics.

2019-01-25 14:37:16 UTC  

this means if your comfertible with the law making a distinction between your gender and what you appear as then theres no problem (except maybe socially as the law often effects social perception) while on the other hand if you want to have a different gender you have to meet the nations standards for what a gender is, and that standard doesent have to be based on chromisomes but does require the most alteration to your sexual characteristics as you physically can