Message from @Vannevariable

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2018-12-28 11:05:49 UTC  

My problem with the article is it written to push a narrative and the headline states, _ us added to list of most dangerous countries_ the section in the Reporters without borders is the List of Deadliest countries.

2018-12-28 11:09:24 UTC  

The report the article source and link to is the annual report from Reporters without borders.
The report contains three main sections. Reporters death. Reporters jailed, and reporters held hostage.

2018-12-28 11:12:19 UTC  

As I understand the facts laid out. The six reports death registered in the US consist of an a cameraman and news anchor killed during a storm. A reporter killed over a long running personal fued. The rest is the Gazette incidents.

2018-12-28 11:12:40 UTC  

@caykoh my reply above

2018-12-28 11:16:28 UTC  

My personal feeling. The article is written with the purpose to push the narrative that the USA is a dangerous countries for journalist. And to convey the message that it is one of the worst countries in that regards.
My feelings donโ€™t care about your facts.

2018-12-28 11:24:19 UTC  

Wait say that last part again? Your feelings dont care about my facts ? Are facts that elastic to be "mine"

2018-12-28 11:25:52 UTC  

Compounded and weighted data points

2018-12-28 11:30:52 UTC  

Not โ€œyoursโ€ per se but all facts. The saying goes facts donโ€™t care about feelings. It is also possible to deduce that feelings donโ€™t care about fact. Since in current year we are more emotional, facts are worthless.

2018-12-28 11:34:56 UTC  

"More and more democratically-elected leaders no longer see the media as part of democracyโ€™s essential underpinning, but as an adversary to which they openly display their aversion. The United States, the country of the First Amendment, has fallen again in the Index undebbcr Donald Trump, this time two places to 45th. A media-bashing enthusiast, Trump has referred to reporters โ€œenemies of the people,โ€ the term once used by Joseph Stalin."

2018-12-28 11:36:10 UTC  

The above statement is a quote.

2018-12-28 11:36:33 UTC  

Yes from reg, sorry

2018-12-28 11:36:39 UTC  

Rsf

2018-12-28 11:42:48 UTC  

Correction to some of my statements above. I am a bit rusty since I longer have any interactions with RSF. I was not aware that the annual report of freedom index have been made into a website. I used to read the paper report. The RSF report that the article quoted was not the annual report but a _special_ report, as I assumed.

2018-12-28 11:55:40 UTC  

I think the site and its summaries and thoroughness are quite worth the read.

2018-12-28 16:57:04 UTC  

it seems like a viable argument, though in terms of actual deaths of our reporters I would argue we're not that high

2018-12-28 16:57:34 UTC  

the issue is that the legacy media is on the decline, so they're declining in quality as well.

2018-12-28 16:57:38 UTC  

soon they'll be tabloids.

2018-12-28 16:57:43 UTC  

hm...

2018-12-28 16:58:29 UTC  

perhaps the inevitable collapse can be prepared for using something like an independant journalist's guild?

2018-12-28 16:58:56 UTC  

Tim has hillariously low overhead, but his work ethic is... well, insane.

2018-12-28 16:59:10 UTC  

that being said, it's very true that all it takes to be a journalist now is a camera

2018-12-28 16:59:16 UTC  

a phone

2018-12-28 16:59:33 UTC  

and accounts in social media of some kind.

2018-12-28 17:00:40 UTC  

if that works... why not make a kind of union? have the members follow a uniform standard of quality, but work for themselves.

2018-12-28 17:02:45 UTC  

โ€œ Russian 2016 influence operation targeted Africa-Americans on social media โ€œ
By Scott Shane and Sheera Frenkel

The NYT claims that โ€œ The Russian influence campaign on social media in the 2016 election made an EXTRAORDINARY EFFORT to target African-Americans..โ€

This is hyperbolic. It was reveled in that Senate hearing that only $4,600 was spent. This was in an election where 6.8 billion was spent. Watch the attached video for proof. Fake news.

http://archive.today/dNk2d
https://youtu.be/fELg3ws7aj4

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/399204742846349312/528256504219041803/image0.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/399204742846349312/528256504730615821/image1.png

2018-12-28 17:05:09 UTC  

please, that 4.7K isn't an actual serious attempt to influence america, it's effectively paying for a media circus that putin will watch as primetime entertainment

2018-12-28 17:09:48 UTC  

It's not fake news the Russians did do this.

2018-12-28 17:10:07 UTC  

But it had nothing to do with voter suppression it may have had that effect though.

2018-12-28 17:10:48 UTC  

@Exiled Sentinel The Russians used social media to create division in the US, they didn't care about the lines.

2018-12-28 17:21:56 UTC  

Itโ€™s fake news that this was an โ€œ extraordinary effortโ€

No reason to believe it had any effect at all. Billions were being spent to get blacks to vote for and against Hillary. 4.7k spent to get them to not vote at all is like thinking you can flood the ocean by peeing into it.

2018-12-28 17:29:10 UTC  

... I like that analogy.

2018-12-28 17:29:15 UTC  

also, this was on my firefox

2018-12-28 17:30:13 UTC  

Vox is proposing 18-year terms, and I can't help but feel it's a democrat's response to fear of their own political agenda being reversed

2018-12-28 17:32:43 UTC  

Yeah, nothing cynical at all about Vox's about-face on judicial supremacy as soon as Hillary lost in 2016.

2018-12-28 17:32:46 UTC  

Want to see something dumb?

2018-12-28 17:33:16 UTC  

yep. Stupid at a glance

2018-12-28 17:33:19 UTC  

racism exists.

2018-12-28 17:33:24 UTC  

you know it. I know it.