Message from @DrYuriMom

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2018-11-12 01:47:12 UTC  

In Oregon that's not an issue. Vote-by-mail requires ballots to be in by election day. No late arrivals.

2018-11-12 01:48:00 UTC  

Washington is all absentee voting, so it takes 10 days before the cut off

2018-11-12 01:48:28 UTC  

The ballots procedures require proper security of the ballots

2018-11-12 01:48:37 UTC  

"secure box" I really don't trust that. I'm a little too good with my hands.

2018-11-12 01:49:42 UTC  

well, i don't know oregon. it may be a paragon of election integrity. but florida seems to be fucking this seemingly simple procedure up royally, mostly by excluding observers and having chain-of-custody failures.

2018-11-12 01:49:52 UTC  

I can't answer to that. I just know Oregon and Washington. I lived in IL for a short time but owned a house in WA and only rented in IL to remained a WA voter.

2018-11-12 01:51:10 UTC  

I now own houses in both OR and WA so switched to OR since that is where I am employed.

2018-11-12 01:51:13 UTC  

Mail is tamper-able. Secret police were extracting and re-inserting letters in the 1700s.

2018-11-12 01:51:26 UTC  

Like I said, I don't mail

2018-11-12 01:51:35 UTC  

And Washington has had it's own little "recount until we win" events in it's history.

2018-11-12 01:51:48 UTC  

Yes, but it's an option and alot of people do.

2018-11-12 01:51:54 UTC  

The ballots themselves require a signature and the signatures are compared to records

2018-11-12 01:52:10 UTC  

If there is a discrepency they call us

2018-11-12 01:52:45 UTC  

How? My signature never comes out the same way twice.

2018-11-12 01:52:52 UTC  

I can't be the only one.

2018-11-12 01:53:01 UTC  

Like I said. If it doesn't compare you get a phone call.

2018-11-12 01:53:39 UTC  

I'm saying that's all rather subjective.

2018-11-12 01:54:10 UTC  

And the parties do actually know how people tend to vote or have good ways of guessing. It can actually be kinda scary.

2018-11-12 01:54:16 UTC  

Obama really mastered it.

2018-11-12 01:54:48 UTC  

You've still also got all sorts of chain of custody issues when people do send by mail.

2018-11-12 01:55:22 UTC  

Yes, but that doesn't change the fact that Oregon has very high voting rates with the new process. And we can check up very quickly and easily on our ballot.

2018-11-12 01:56:00 UTC  

No one can "generate ballots"

2018-11-12 01:56:08 UTC  

I'm not so convinced.

2018-11-12 01:56:23 UTC  

Each envelope will match to a ballot

2018-11-12 01:56:27 UTC  

If you want to pay me as a security contractor, I'm sure I could figure out a way.

2018-11-12 01:56:32 UTC  

Serious.

2018-11-12 01:57:26 UTC  

How do you do that match though? You would then be able to tie a vote to an address, violating secret ballot procedures.

2018-11-12 01:57:35 UTC  

if you have chain of custody issues with the storage boxes for ballots, they can just vanish the box and replace it with a new one full of completely different ballots. if they don't allow observers, you can just look at ballots (legit or fake) and tally whatever result you want. see an R box checked, but mark the vote for D.

2018-11-12 01:57:50 UTC  

You cannot connect a vote, just the envelope containing the ballot.

2018-11-12 01:58:19 UTC  

changing the number of ballots cast is difficult (though possible in small amounts), but changing the candidate voted for is trivial.

2018-11-12 01:58:19 UTC  

@Atkins indeed, frankly, most union elections have better security than national elections. And it gets worse in bluer states.

2018-11-12 01:58:22 UTC  

With the signature thing, I've seen a lot of signatures because when I was in the navy I worked with reactors. Every piece of paperwork had a minimum of 4 signatures on it. I can tell whose signature it is even if it isn't legible. So comparing a signature with a sample shouldn't be hard.

2018-11-12 01:58:38 UTC  

Yeah, if there's secret ballot procedures, then the act of calling someone up to confirm their vote would be a breach of that.

2018-11-12 01:59:03 UTC  

It's a combination of what the letters might be and how it flows. It's unlikely that your handwriting changed that much.

2018-11-12 01:59:16 UTC  

yeah, the whole point of a secret ballot is that it's impossible to tie the person to the ballot, hence making it impossible to verify that the vote cast matches the vote counted.

2018-11-12 01:59:17 UTC  

They don't confirm a vote, they confirm the submission of a ballot

2018-11-12 01:59:35 UTC  

@NoOneAtAll yeah, but you've seen these people's signatures many, many times and it's small enough sample to know them all. We're talking hundreds of thousands or millions of signatures here.

2018-11-12 01:59:37 UTC  

I actually changed my signature in the navy I signed so many damn pieces of paper.

2018-11-12 01:59:51 UTC  

Are ballots double wrapped? An envelope in an envelope

2018-11-12 01:59:55 UTC  

Yes.