Message from @pratel
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I love it because no lines, no issues with machines, no voter suppression. Lots of opportunity to sort out ballot issues.
And could take 3 weeks to get all the votes.
but "lots of opportunity to sort out ballot issues" is also lots of opportunity for fraud and tampering.
In Oregon that's not an issue. Vote-by-mail requires ballots to be in by election day. No late arrivals.
Washington is all absentee voting, so it takes 10 days before the cut off
The ballots procedures require proper security of the ballots
"secure box" I really don't trust that. I'm a little too good with my hands.
well, i don't know oregon. it may be a paragon of election integrity. but florida seems to be fucking this seemingly simple procedure up royally, mostly by excluding observers and having chain-of-custody failures.
I can't answer to that. I just know Oregon and Washington. I lived in IL for a short time but owned a house in WA and only rented in IL to remained a WA voter.
I now own houses in both OR and WA so switched to OR since that is where I am employed.
Mail is tamper-able. Secret police were extracting and re-inserting letters in the 1700s.
Like I said, I don't mail
And Washington has had it's own little "recount until we win" events in it's history.
Yes, but it's an option and alot of people do.
The ballots themselves require a signature and the signatures are compared to records
If there is a discrepency they call us
How? My signature never comes out the same way twice.
I can't be the only one.
Like I said. If it doesn't compare you get a phone call.
I'm saying that's all rather subjective.
And the parties do actually know how people tend to vote or have good ways of guessing. It can actually be kinda scary.
Obama really mastered it.
You've still also got all sorts of chain of custody issues when people do send by mail.
Yes, but that doesn't change the fact that Oregon has very high voting rates with the new process. And we can check up very quickly and easily on our ballot.
No one can "generate ballots"
I'm not so convinced.
Each envelope will match to a ballot
If you want to pay me as a security contractor, I'm sure I could figure out a way.
Serious.
How do you do that match though? You would then be able to tie a vote to an address, violating secret ballot procedures.
if you have chain of custody issues with the storage boxes for ballots, they can just vanish the box and replace it with a new one full of completely different ballots. if they don't allow observers, you can just look at ballots (legit or fake) and tally whatever result you want. see an R box checked, but mark the vote for D.
You cannot connect a vote, just the envelope containing the ballot.
changing the number of ballots cast is difficult (though possible in small amounts), but changing the candidate voted for is trivial.
@Atkins indeed, frankly, most union elections have better security than national elections. And it gets worse in bluer states.
With the signature thing, I've seen a lot of signatures because when I was in the navy I worked with reactors. Every piece of paperwork had a minimum of 4 signatures on it. I can tell whose signature it is even if it isn't legible. So comparing a signature with a sample shouldn't be hard.
Yeah, if there's secret ballot procedures, then the act of calling someone up to confirm their vote would be a breach of that.
It's a combination of what the letters might be and how it flows. It's unlikely that your handwriting changed that much.
yeah, the whole point of a secret ballot is that it's impossible to tie the person to the ballot, hence making it impossible to verify that the vote cast matches the vote counted.
They don't confirm a vote, they confirm the submission of a ballot
@NoOneAtAll yeah, but you've seen these people's signatures many, many times and it's small enough sample to know them all. We're talking hundreds of thousands or millions of signatures here.