Message from @DrYuriMom

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2018-11-12 01:39:58 UTC  

In vote-by-mail they can link every counted ballot to a voter

2018-11-12 01:40:05 UTC  

And it's all public record

2018-11-12 01:40:22 UTC  

Should ballots be anonymous?

2018-11-12 01:40:30 UTC  

My votes were anonymous

2018-11-12 01:40:36 UTC  

But my ballot was not

2018-11-12 01:40:49 UTC  

Voting is public record in Oregon

2018-11-12 01:41:26 UTC  

You shouldn't know who cast the vote but every ballot should be tracked. Kinda like UPS tracking number.

2018-11-12 01:42:00 UTC  

It's basically high end Quality Assurance.

2018-11-12 01:42:27 UTC  

If your ballot has a name on it so does your votes. We don't have names on our ballots. You are validated at the door, then the ballots are checked for completion. But never is there a name on a ballot.

2018-11-12 01:43:14 UTC  

Not saying that system is good, but it's anonymous. At least as close as you get.

2018-11-12 01:44:29 UTC  

Ballots and envelopes are separated by a committee, never less than three people present

2018-11-12 01:44:45 UTC  

a lot of this problem is coming from early and absentee voting. votes cast in person on election day are hard to tamper with.

2018-11-12 01:44:54 UTC  

Both are saved so we know exactly who voted

2018-11-12 01:45:06 UTC  

The number should match

2018-11-12 01:46:02 UTC  

With proper procedures vote-by-mail can be quite secure. For those really worried (like me) you can deposit in secure boxes rather than place in the mail.

2018-11-12 01:46:41 UTC  

I love it because no lines, no issues with machines, no voter suppression. Lots of opportunity to sort out ballot issues.

2018-11-12 01:47:03 UTC  

And could take 3 weeks to get all the votes.

2018-11-12 01:47:07 UTC  

but "lots of opportunity to sort out ballot issues" is also lots of opportunity for fraud and tampering.

2018-11-12 01:47:12 UTC  

In Oregon that's not an issue. Vote-by-mail requires ballots to be in by election day. No late arrivals.

2018-11-12 01:48:00 UTC  

Washington is all absentee voting, so it takes 10 days before the cut off

2018-11-12 01:48:28 UTC  

The ballots procedures require proper security of the ballots

2018-11-12 01:48:37 UTC  

"secure box" I really don't trust that. I'm a little too good with my hands.

2018-11-12 01:49:42 UTC  

well, i don't know oregon. it may be a paragon of election integrity. but florida seems to be fucking this seemingly simple procedure up royally, mostly by excluding observers and having chain-of-custody failures.

2018-11-12 01:49:52 UTC  

I can't answer to that. I just know Oregon and Washington. I lived in IL for a short time but owned a house in WA and only rented in IL to remained a WA voter.

2018-11-12 01:51:10 UTC  

I now own houses in both OR and WA so switched to OR since that is where I am employed.

2018-11-12 01:51:13 UTC  

Mail is tamper-able. Secret police were extracting and re-inserting letters in the 1700s.

2018-11-12 01:51:26 UTC  

Like I said, I don't mail

2018-11-12 01:51:35 UTC  

And Washington has had it's own little "recount until we win" events in it's history.

2018-11-12 01:51:48 UTC  

Yes, but it's an option and alot of people do.

2018-11-12 01:51:54 UTC  

The ballots themselves require a signature and the signatures are compared to records

2018-11-12 01:52:10 UTC  

If there is a discrepency they call us

2018-11-12 01:52:45 UTC  

How? My signature never comes out the same way twice.

2018-11-12 01:52:52 UTC  

I can't be the only one.

2018-11-12 01:53:01 UTC  

Like I said. If it doesn't compare you get a phone call.

2018-11-12 01:53:39 UTC  

I'm saying that's all rather subjective.

2018-11-12 01:54:10 UTC  

And the parties do actually know how people tend to vote or have good ways of guessing. It can actually be kinda scary.

2018-11-12 01:54:16 UTC  

Obama really mastered it.

2018-11-12 01:54:48 UTC  

You've still also got all sorts of chain of custody issues when people do send by mail.

2018-11-12 01:55:22 UTC  

Yes, but that doesn't change the fact that Oregon has very high voting rates with the new process. And we can check up very quickly and easily on our ballot.

2018-11-12 01:56:00 UTC  

No one can "generate ballots"

2018-11-12 01:56:08 UTC  

I'm not so convinced.