paying was only one suggestion.

UK gov paid for snake skins. People started breeding snakes

end result, more snakes than ever before

another was make a "get out of jail free" wavier where they just report all the illegals in exchange for not getting fined.

paying for people that hire illegals, just gets them to hire more illegals and report them

that one is the same

.... don't we want more illegals reported so they can be deported?

you are just giving incentives to hire illegals

then we can focus on the border

and punish people for bringing them in

then you start getting more illegals reported and deported than enter the country

is that not a good outcome?

or do you just not like the idea of illegals working for someone pretending to be legal, and would rather just pretend that nothing is going on because "thats illegal"

like I said multiple times

your suggestion just increases more illegal workers

not the reverse

you sell bread, hire an illegal, report them at the end of the year. Your company made more money than the exact same company that didn't hire an illegal

@Grenade123 Why would you want to deport more illegals when you could simply remove the incentives for people to illegally enter the country in the first place? It's kind of redundant if you are willing to bring them in just to report them and have them removed.

bingo

and PAY "incentives" to the ones that report them

he's just making it even more profitable

the only reason i suggested pay is because i didn't think the "waiver to avoid being fined to death in exchange for all the illegals you employ" would provide a strong enough inventive. although would be my preferred route as it removes the inventive to hide from the government by just going "hey, if you get caught, we'll let you off the hook in exchange for all the illegals". Then he just goes down to the home depot and picks up new ones until there are not enough left, then it will be most likely cheaper to start raising wages to attract non-illegals than to have them "imported".

and you seem to think a "avoid fine in exchange for your illegal workers" is the same as "paying for illegal workers"

because apparently they were going to get fined at the end of hte year anyway through some force of magic so they are not getting more money by not being fined

what's stopping you from robbing a bank? is it not the punishment? isn't that the only thing that would make you think twice?

If a company hires an illegal, they will have to run the calculations on the risk. If you increase the punishment, when the risk becomes too big, they stop doing it

in this case, the company is also incentivized to report a compatitor if they hire illegals

because the competition will go bankrupt

see, the risk only becomes too big for small companies, and the large ones lobby for the punishment in our current system.

the big ones pay the punishment in cash

it's not a problem

...

so you are fine with large companies bribing the government to remove their competition while they keep using the same practice?

the big companies can't hire illegals

if they do, they pay

but they can afford to pay

not a problem

they pay, the illegals get deported

and their competition goes out of business, leaving them the only game in town.

they won't go out of business if they dont use illegals

allowing them to increase profit margins, making the risk for hiring illegals lower, so they keep doing it and just dodge the government for long enouhg

but the big guy is using illegals