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2019-02-11 13:22:08 UTC  

dont know, dont care. its fucking hysterical.

2019-02-11 13:22:09 UTC  

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2019-02-11 13:22:12 UTC  

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I like this one:
**Negotiations with repressive regimes like Syria’s require cautious realism. One cannot sensibly assume the other side’s good faith. It is dangerous for Israel to deal naively with a regime murderous of its own people, openly aggressive toward its neighbors, criminally involved with international drug traffickers and counterfeiters, and supportive of the most deadly terrorist organizations.**

Should do the same for Mexico

2019-02-11 13:23:09 UTC  

I don't see anything too wrong in that statement.

2019-02-11 13:23:21 UTC  

A bit hypocritical as it's so unevenly applied, but correct as stated.

@Undead Mockingbird `unevenly applied` where?

2019-02-11 13:27:34 UTC  

In regards to who happens to be a US ally.

2019-02-11 13:28:32 UTC  

@Undead Mockingbird trying to parse what you graphed there, where on that graph do you put the line of "jobs actively destabilizing the lives of the people doing them"?

@Undead Mockingbird if you are talking about China - they are too big of an economy unfortunately.

2019-02-11 13:30:02 UTC  

It's not my graph, but what I believe it's meant to show is that the amount of jobs lost to hikes in minimum wage is whatever portion would have been in price on the side of supply between the minimum wage and the point of equilibrium in which a market would have settled.

2019-02-11 13:31:09 UTC  

I think that's a reasonable assumption. The value of your labor has not changed. The price simply is a misstatement of its relative value under minimum wage.

2019-02-11 13:34:53 UTC  

Well then. Are the same people opposing the (solidarity-motivated) minimum wage offering alternatives, in your opinion?

What did change however is the value of the paper you are awarded in the end of the month. Inflation and all that. Unfortunately countries don't automatically accommodate for inflation for some reason.

Thus the original minimum wage is always decreasing

2019-02-11 13:38:03 UTC  

For some reason you can't say that capitalism is fucking people over increasingly without getting labelled a socialist. Which is beside the point, though, because, you know, it is.

Capitalism is the natural way. Unfortunately as a by-product it creates poverty.

2019-02-11 13:39:16 UTC  

So then, more solutions, less smear, please.

Smear? Or you weren't talking to me?

2019-02-11 13:40:36 UTC  

...or whatever prevents people from having fruitful conversations these days.

2019-02-11 13:43:43 UTC  

Like maybe I'm romantic and try to see the good in people, but with the example of Mrs. Cortez, becoming a public figure appears to have revealed how little clue she has - and only marginally how her ideas are in fact counterproductively terrible.

2019-02-11 13:45:16 UTC  

or maybe becoming a public figure means that you employ a board of advisers whose job it is to come up with that crap.

It seems that there is a lot of people who want to replace capitalism, but the only option they see is Socialism. Instead of trying to invent some new economic system, people just try to revive this monster.

2019-02-11 13:46:03 UTC  

I agree.

For example there was once a proposal to cap max money a person can have. And if you have an unspent amount in the end of the month - it goes to government.

So, just as you begin every new day with 24 hours, you will begin every month with some constant sum (based on your job and other factors) and have to live within this sum all the month

2019-02-11 13:49:18 UTC  

But it's hyper govt control if they are taking your money and telling you you're not allowed to save money

Why hyper?

2019-02-11 13:50:04 UTC  

> Are the same people opposing the (solidarity-motivated) minimum wage offering alternatives, in your opinion?

Alternatives to what?

2019-02-11 13:50:05 UTC  

I was against a similar proposal in my country, btw. I found it too stark on telling others how to do what they want, and it would have astronomically bumped tax evasion, too.

2019-02-11 13:50:26 UTC  

What problem are we trying to solve?

Just discussing are there reasonable alternatives to Capitalism

2019-02-11 13:50:45 UTC  

The market misstating the value of labor? It would solve that. No further steps are necessary.

2019-02-11 13:51:06 UTC  

@Undead Mockingbird let's try to address actively life-destroying jobs.

2019-02-11 13:51:16 UTC  

@mar77i Where are you that they wanted this? Canada?

2019-02-11 13:51:29 UTC  

Switzerland

2019-02-11 13:51:30 UTC  

Actively life-destroying jobs? I am not sure what you are on about.

Coal miners?

Youtubers?