Message from @whiic
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A lot of people think you have a right to protection. You don't. You have right to life and liberty, that's different.
The protection (by law) is a protection of the rights.
Government was established to secure rights, not grant them.
Negative vs postive rights = rights vs privileges.
People have the rights, the constitution should limit the government’s ability, not the people’s rights. The rights are within the people.
To simplify, a negative right is a protection from something while a positive right is an entitlement to something
The people give up freedom to be governed.
An example of a positive right is the right to a speedy trial
The government doesn’t grant rights.
Who grants them?
God!
God.
Gouuuuud!
the BIG G-O-D
People will contest if positive rights are a thing at all, often
Gawwwd does not exist. Sorry.
Then use some other higher power.
Doesn’t have to be god.
God as the religious one or as a shorthand for nature
A level above government grants them just for being people.
part of the reason they are called 'natural' rights
And even if we assumed it did exist, what are the rights granted by that higher existence?
@H3llbender Which are the natural rights? Which rights did God give us?
But having public schools that are mostly paid for by the government (taxpayers) is a good thing, as long as the government manages its resources well and doesn't tax people like crazy
Property rights are the natural rights.
For example, many (even libertarians) think copyright is natural.
The rights god (or nature) grant is are all the rights we have except the ones we relinquish to government.
Exhaustive list.
An illiterate person is a social outcast, in today's world
I think that's the biggest load of shit I've ever heard, to argue copyright monopoly as a natural right.
Intellectual "property" rights are postive rights.
Because it's "property". Property of an idea. Or word.
I've quite literally never talked to someone who called copyright a natural right
Most ancaps reject IP rights.
The idea is that you have all rights. The only non-rights are anything which infringes the rights of another.
@halfthink But isn't all property kind about positive rights?
Property rights are pretty much "Don't fuck with my shit"