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Shep- care to elaborate on what's wrong with art/music these days

Convo from last night

I was speaking about people who try to recreate or "revive" arts from right wing or reactionary perspective

Well, what people don't understand

Let's take for example, Nietzches criticism of Wagner as an example

For Nietzsche, going to a teather or Opera and listening to a tune of Wagner

was same thing as to me is turing on youtube and playing a song

People can't make a difference between technical means

And music itself

There is NOTHING "civilized" about Opera or Symphonies today

It's how people listened to music

To more sophisticated music that is

Because peasants had more simple music that could be played on balalaika and simple drums i guess

dobre utra!

But today, way to "revive" high culture isn't by returning to Symphonies and Operas

Because it's completely archaic

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I mean i love Symphonies, i love classical music, i love all of that

But "highness" of that culture, and that music, isn't in the fact that they were orchestras

But in musical content itself

And people in those days, would judge them accordingly, because there was no other, inferior way of listening to multi-timbral type of music

Whatchyall talkin bout?

So someone could say that Tchaikovsky sucks, just as i would say today that a rock band or somebody sucks

And today to us, it seems completely outrageous how could anybody back then say that Tchaikovsky or Wagner suck

@RavishingRussian this:

HFT - Today at 11:59 AM
Shep- care to elaborate on what's wrong with art/music these days
Convo from last night

So you're arguing against cargo cult culture - it's not about the motions made but about the results as such

There is nothing "civilized" about Symphony as a medium, but people judge music performed by Symphonic orchestras by their "content"

The way back isn't, shortly put, in musical "reenactments" of 19th century, because that's what it genuinely is

People are reenacting the way people listened to music in 19th century

Which is OK if you want to feel how that felt, but is completely unecessary

Besides, we haven't really recovered our culture from ashes if we only listen to what we ALREADY made, instead of making new things

If our only way forward is "back to 19th century", that won't last long

@The Enlightened Shepherd

Besides, we haven't really recovered our culture from ashes if we only listen to what we ALREADY made, instead of making new things

==so true....

You could argue that current popular music is degenerate and we should turn back the time on thematic content and then retrace recent developments in a different way

It's not about reenactment, but about correcting a cultural mistake

And then going forward again

Current popular music IMO, is nothing but a stimulans. It's in world of music, what coffee is in world of drinks -cheap way to swiftly stimulate your senses