Message from @vlnc.co
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I'm pretty sure they didn't. Do you have a source for that?
here... im goign to send a link to an article about what is and is not valid contracts ..... really all boils down to contracts in the end
not on hand, but they did it for a while
sorry 1918
read this article .... we already have basically the conventions of private law/governance... it just needs to be realized
one problem i see with doing away with our govt is that historically the way of resolving disputes between tribes often results in endemic warfare and subversion, stunting a society's ability to grow and thrive relative to the rest of the world, leading it to be susceptible to being conquered
Of course, I think it also depends on whether you speak of the Roman Empire or the Roman Republic
after 1918 they introduced the representation of people act, which meant you no longer just have to own property to vote
bcuz many institutions (states, nations, municipalities, etc) dont comply as valid contractors
but how to we ensure valid contracts on the macro scale?
without a government
@vlnc.co its not about doing away with government.... i always hound on ancaps about this..... bcuz you CAN consent to being governed in a government, right?
then 10 years later in 1928 they introduced the equal franchise act... because the original 1918 act said that although no-one needs to own property anymore, women had to be at least 30... so the 1928 act made it equal
what if you dont consent?
there are already international contracting laws in place, @vlnc.co, theyre called UCC codes, etc
read this article
if you dont consent, its not a valid contract, simple
unless you had already given up rights via contracts beforehand
then youre not legally bound to obey the dictates of the contracts becuz its not a valid agreement
you can go off and homestead somewhere off the grid if you so please lol
yes but what if i still live within the confines of what the government holds jurisdiction over. lets say i was born there and dont want to move
basically... in this system... you will have an explicit contract or "certificate of citizenship" in the US
bcuz citizenship now basically is just a social contract, a make-believe contract (not a valid contract)
all im saying is.... there are contracting laws and conventions already in place that would handle all this stuff
read this article and think about the so called "social contract"
the thing is .... currently "the government" is a monopoly on the initation of force AKA the state
but there would be no central authority in a nation of decentralized legal systems.... so you would have many more choices as a consumer
cuz im talking about a *polycentric* government rather than a monopolistic govt
with true checks and balances
where the votes of others arent forced upon you arbitrarily by mob rule .... and where you cannot force your will (democratically) onto others either
just think about it though.... in order for a contract to be legally valid here and now as it currently stands, EVERY single point/requirement of the contract needs to be satisfied, otherwise its a null-and-void, invalid contract .... illegitimate
anyways.... im getting burnt out.... feel free to PM me if you want to talk more tho
but we both agreed that there needs to be some form of macro governance because some problems are macro scale. and enforcing the laws of that macro govt requires some form of centralized authority (i.e., preventing several disparate private legal systems across the land from polluting shared natural resources). if you are a polluting tribe, you will have votes from non-polluting tribes forced upon you "arbitrarily by mob rule". i dont see how the macro governance in a private system would be more benevolent than the macro governance today.
ya same need to get some work done
nice chat tho 👍
good talking with you so far about this tho, is still enjoyable for a friendly debate 😇
thanks, you too, anytime