then youre not legally bound to obey the dictates of the contracts becuz its not a valid agreement

you can go off and homestead somewhere off the grid if you so please lol

yes but what if i still live within the confines of what the government holds jurisdiction over. lets say i was born there and dont want to move

basically... in this system... you will have an explicit contract or "certificate of citizenship" in the US

bcuz citizenship now basically is just a social contract, a make-believe contract (not a valid contract)

all im saying is.... there are contracting laws and conventions already in place that would handle all this stuff

https://www.lawdepot.com/blog/what-makes-a-contract-invalid/

read this article and think about the so called "social contract"

the thing is .... currently "the government" is a monopoly on the initation of force AKA the state

but there would be no central authority in a nation of decentralized legal systems.... so you would have many more choices as a consumer

cuz im talking about a *polycentric* government rather than a monopolistic govt

with true checks and balances

where the votes of others arent forced upon you arbitrarily by mob rule .... and where you cannot force your will (democratically) onto others either

just think about it though.... in order for a contract to be legally valid here and now as it currently stands, EVERY single point/requirement of the contract needs to be satisfied, otherwise its a null-and-void, invalid contract .... illegitimate

anyways.... im getting burnt out.... feel free to PM me if you want to talk more tho

but we both agreed that there needs to be some form of macro governance because some problems are macro scale. and enforcing the laws of that macro govt requires some form of centralized authority (i.e., preventing several disparate private legal systems across the land from polluting shared natural resources). if you are a polluting tribe, you will have votes from non-polluting tribes forced upon you "arbitrarily by mob rule". i dont see how the macro governance in a private system would be more benevolent than the macro governance today.

ya same need to get some work done

nice chat tho 👍

good talking with you so far about this tho, is still enjoyable for a friendly debate 😇

thanks, you too, anytime

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i hear your arguments though..... theyre valid concerns, but i still disagree with some of yoru premise that "macro govt requires some form of centralized authority" bcuz that is the beauty of emerging systems and spontaneous order

if you just take a look at computer technology.... just look at USB standards..... no centralized macro state authority dictating these standards... they have all arisen in common interest by tech companies and consumers ... that is an example of how emergent systems work... they EMERGE from the primordial waters of chaos and evolve into more structured order organically

these systems must *emerge* from the bottom up through *macro* voluntary human interactions.... not be imposed from the top down autocratically by self-serving politicians is what im saying

thats the invisible hand at work, and how it sorts everything out in the end..... nobody knew what would be on the other side of abolishing slavery ... and there were tons of doomsayers ("who will pick the cotton? somebody needs to pick the cotton! we'll all starve to death"), but just look at how the market solved all the problems with farming technology, etc. so it was a win-win for everybody to abolish the immoral practice of slavery

anyways..... lol 🤓

guess should have been moved to the debate thread!

let's say this is something I should know

in discord is there a way to jump to alerts

dont worry about them, it was a spammer

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