Message from @Schedrevka

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2018-07-09 00:37:40 UTC  

i.e. a health professional?

2018-07-09 00:37:48 UTC  

do you have a "right" to their services?

2018-07-09 00:38:18 UTC  

and if so, where do you draw the line

2018-07-09 00:38:36 UTC  

Not all health does; like being overweight doesn't mean my right to life gives me the right to a gym, but in certain cases their are solid libertarian arguments for healthcare

2018-07-09 00:38:36 UTC  

do you have a right to a plumber's services to fix your sewage line because it can spread disease?

2018-07-09 00:38:38 UTC  

that is, right because nobody has the right to prevent you from seeking it and for making your own health choices and decisions w/o having somebody be forced to pay for wreckless choices of others' health lifestyle/choices/decisions

2018-07-09 00:39:20 UTC  

for the record, I'm not totally against a single payer / safety net type system

2018-07-09 00:39:31 UTC  

I'm not just not sure what it should be, for the US

2018-07-09 00:39:38 UTC  

I'm not for it either

2018-07-09 00:39:51 UTC  

well... there are private healthcare clinics already available out there..... so of course healthcare is part of the natural organic market economy

2018-07-09 00:39:55 UTC  

And I certainly don't know the right way to implement such systems, and wouldn't want a poorly thought out system to be implemented just in the pursuit of progress

2018-07-09 00:40:02 UTC  

exactly

2018-07-09 00:40:03 UTC  

a solid libertarian case for forcing a doctor to care for you against their will?

2018-07-09 00:40:13 UTC  

there isn't one

2018-07-09 00:40:18 UTC  

No one said there was one.

2018-07-09 00:40:26 UTC  

Don't pretend people are saying what they're not.

2018-07-09 00:41:00 UTC  

I also think a single payer system will stifle health-related research progress

2018-07-09 00:41:12 UTC  

"their are solid libertarian arguments for healthcare"

given that the context was about healthcare being a human right, care to explain how that wouldn't mean a doctor would be forced to care for you?

2018-07-09 00:41:44 UTC  

People are self servng, they want to make money and as much of it.. healthcare is lucrative and that attracks thos ethat can spend r&d money

2018-07-09 00:42:01 UTC  

Because literally no one said anything about forcing someone to do work. I meant it being paid for through taxes.

2018-07-09 00:42:31 UTC  

Libertarian doesn't mean anarchy. Thomas Paine is frequently sited as a libertarian, and he was in favor of UBI.

2018-07-09 00:43:05 UTC  

here's about as socialist as I'll go.. I don't think that anyone in a country as weathly as ours should have their entire lives ruined, financially, etc, because they get unlucky with something health related, ie. cancer

2018-07-09 00:43:13 UTC  

I just don't know what the answer is on that

2018-07-09 00:43:21 UTC  

yeah, that would be like a VERY "positivistic" health care because they would just MAGICALLY give themselves the right to impose medical procedures onto YOU whether you like it or not

2018-07-09 00:43:34 UTC  

Nothing socialist about that if you ask me.

2018-07-09 00:43:55 UTC  

A voluntrarily "pay for what you want into it" healthcare system?

2018-07-09 00:44:10 UTC  

pay whsat you want never works

2018-07-09 00:44:15 UTC  

people don't want to pay

2018-07-09 00:44:16 UTC  

note that i edited "healthcare" with medical procedures....

2018-07-09 00:44:38 UTC  

Not a HSA but sort of alike a Volunteer Medicare for all. You are not forced, but if you want to, you can pay into it as a whole.

2018-07-09 00:44:48 UTC  

wont work either

2018-07-09 00:44:51 UTC  

thats basically obamacare

2018-07-09 00:45:14 UTC  

because to call medical services stuff "healthcare" is a misnomer as they really only manage illness, diseases, and injuries

2018-07-09 00:45:36 UTC  

health insurance companies are part of the problem with inflated prices in the US. which is just another reason obamacare was a flop

2018-07-09 00:46:10 UTC  

only you can decide to choose healthy living and well being to take premeptive care of your health into your own hands

2018-07-09 00:46:29 UTC  

im also not against people make money

2018-07-09 00:46:30 UTC  

buuut

2018-07-09 00:46:42 UTC  

I do have a moral delimma of people making money over someone elses misery

2018-07-09 00:46:53 UTC  

same as private prisons

2018-07-09 00:47:21 UTC  

Well, if it is not stated-funded, then people can take it to the courts.

2018-07-09 00:47:40 UTC  

you can take the state to the courts too usually