so the Dems were behind enacting the Jim Crow laws, etc

Both Abortion and Health care decisions should be done at the state level.

Life, is an unalienable right according to the Declaration of Independence, and health has overlap with that.

and they were against repealing the Jim Crow laws too .... that was NOT TOO long ago.....

Does Life mean the protection of your Health or your protection of Living?

health doesn't have to overlap with that

at least not in the way you're arguing

because does your right to health require someone else to intervene against their will?

i.e. a health professional?

do you have a "right" to their services?

and if so, where do you draw the line

Not all health does; like being overweight doesn't mean my right to life gives me the right to a gym, but in certain cases their are solid libertarian arguments for healthcare

do you have a right to a plumber's services to fix your sewage line because it can spread disease?

that is, right because nobody has the right to prevent you from seeking it and for making your own health choices and decisions w/o having somebody be forced to pay for wreckless choices of others' health lifestyle/choices/decisions

for the record, I'm not totally against a single payer / safety net type system

I'm not just not sure what it should be, for the US

I'm not for it either

well... there are private healthcare clinics already available out there..... so of course healthcare is part of the natural organic market economy

And I certainly don't know the right way to implement such systems, and wouldn't want a poorly thought out system to be implemented just in the pursuit of progress

exactly

a solid libertarian case for forcing a doctor to care for you against their will?

there isn't one

No one said there was one.

Don't pretend people are saying what they're not.

I also think a single payer system will stifle health-related research progress

"their are solid libertarian arguments for healthcare"

given that the context was about healthcare being a human right, care to explain how that wouldn't mean a doctor would be forced to care for you?

People are self servng, they want to make money and as much of it.. healthcare is lucrative and that attracks thos ethat can spend r&d money

Because literally no one said anything about forcing someone to do work. I meant it being paid for through taxes.

Libertarian doesn't mean anarchy. Thomas Paine is frequently sited as a libertarian, and he was in favor of UBI.

here's about as socialist as I'll go.. I don't think that anyone in a country as weathly as ours should have their entire lives ruined, financially, etc, because they get unlucky with something health related, ie. cancer

I just don't know what the answer is on that

yeah, that would be like a VERY "positivistic" health care because they would just MAGICALLY give themselves the right to impose medical procedures onto YOU whether you like it or not

Nothing socialist about that if you ask me.

A voluntrarily "pay for what you want into it" healthcare system?

pay whsat you want never works

people don't want to pay

note that i edited "healthcare" with medical procedures....

Not a HSA but sort of alike a Volunteer Medicare for all. You are not forced, but if you want to, you can pay into it as a whole.

wont work either

thats basically obamacare

because to call medical services stuff "healthcare" is a misnomer as they really only manage illness, diseases, and injuries