Message from @LotheronPrime
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classical liberalism... generally starting with Adam Smith and so on of the original classial liberals
or perhaps in Britain even before that?
they didnt really "switch" bcuz the racist south just become less and less racist to the point now that deep south conservatives will now predictably favor a black conservative over a white liberal
I believe the first act to stop slavery was around 1773 or something in the UK
and then a final act in 1808 to spend a fortune on the navy to stop it worldwide
not to mention Dinesh D'Souza goes into detail about how the switch from majority blacks to the democratic party far outdated the so called "switch" from taking place
God, I hate how people on both sides conflate Social Democracy and Democratic Socialism, with people are pro-socialism say "oh, you want health care? That means you want Socialism!" and people who are against welfare saying "We can't institute government assistance programs because that's Socialism and Socialism is evil".
really gets my goat
Dinesh D'Souza and Cenk debated about that once at Politicon
I am pro-Health. Less regulations and taxes regarding health.
Health is a human right. But not a Constitutional right.
so the Dems were behind enacting the Jim Crow laws, etc
Both Abortion and Health care decisions should be done at the state level.
Life, is an unalienable right according to the Declaration of Independence, and health has overlap with that.
and they were against repealing the Jim Crow laws too .... that was NOT TOO long ago.....
Does Life mean the protection of your Health or your protection of Living?
health doesn't have to overlap with that
at least not in the way you're arguing
because does your right to health require someone else to intervene against their will?
i.e. a health professional?
and if so, where do you draw the line
Not all health does; like being overweight doesn't mean my right to life gives me the right to a gym, but in certain cases their are solid libertarian arguments for healthcare
do you have a right to a plumber's services to fix your sewage line because it can spread disease?
that is, right because nobody has the right to prevent you from seeking it and for making your own health choices and decisions w/o having somebody be forced to pay for wreckless choices of others' health lifestyle/choices/decisions
for the record, I'm not totally against a single payer / safety net type system
I'm not just not sure what it should be, for the US
I'm not for it either
well... there are private healthcare clinics already available out there..... so of course healthcare is part of the natural organic market economy
And I certainly don't know the right way to implement such systems, and wouldn't want a poorly thought out system to be implemented just in the pursuit of progress
exactly
a solid libertarian case for forcing a doctor to care for you against their will?
there isn't one
No one said there was one.
Don't pretend people are saying what they're not.
I also think a single payer system will stifle health-related research progress
"their are solid libertarian arguments for healthcare"
given that the context was about healthcare being a human right, care to explain how that wouldn't mean a doctor would be forced to care for you?
People are self servng, they want to make money and as much of it.. healthcare is lucrative and that attracks thos ethat can spend r&d money
Because literally no one said anything about forcing someone to do work. I meant it being paid for through taxes.
Libertarian doesn't mean anarchy. Thomas Paine is frequently sited as a libertarian, and he was in favor of UBI.
here's about as socialist as I'll go.. I don't think that anyone in a country as weathly as ours should have their entire lives ruined, financially, etc, because they get unlucky with something health related, ie. cancer