Message from @Schedrevka

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2018-07-09 00:28:49 UTC  

That's racist. lol

2018-07-09 00:28:52 UTC  

and zero democrats

2018-07-09 00:29:21 UTC  

this is a "stellar" read

2018-07-09 00:29:22 UTC  

who wrote amendment 13... republican 😛

2018-07-09 00:29:30 UTC  

BUT THEY SWITCHED

2018-07-09 00:29:43 UTC  

around the time of who the hell knows when

2018-07-09 00:30:11 UTC  

classical liberalism... generally starting with Adam Smith and so on of the original classial liberals

2018-07-09 00:30:31 UTC  

or perhaps in Britain even before that?

2018-07-09 00:31:34 UTC  

they didnt really "switch" bcuz the racist south just become less and less racist to the point now that deep south conservatives will now predictably favor a black conservative over a white liberal

2018-07-09 00:31:47 UTC  

I believe the first act to stop slavery was around 1773 or something in the UK

2018-07-09 00:32:18 UTC  

and then a final act in 1808 to spend a fortune on the navy to stop it worldwide

2018-07-09 00:33:05 UTC  

not to mention Dinesh D'Souza goes into detail about how the switch from majority blacks to the democratic party far outdated the so called "switch" from taking place

2018-07-09 00:33:52 UTC  

God, I hate how people on both sides conflate Social Democracy and Democratic Socialism, with people are pro-socialism say "oh, you want health care? That means you want Socialism!" and people who are against welfare saying "We can't institute government assistance programs because that's Socialism and Socialism is evil".

2018-07-09 00:34:21 UTC  

really gets my goat

2018-07-09 00:34:23 UTC  

Dinesh D'Souza and Cenk debated about that once at Politicon

2018-07-09 00:34:26 UTC  

I am pro-Health. Less regulations and taxes regarding health.

2018-07-09 00:34:41 UTC  

Health is a human right. But not a Constitutional right.

2018-07-09 00:35:02 UTC  

so the Dems were behind enacting the Jim Crow laws, etc

2018-07-09 00:35:19 UTC  

Both Abortion and Health care decisions should be done at the state level.

2018-07-09 00:35:50 UTC  

Life, is an unalienable right according to the Declaration of Independence, and health has overlap with that.

2018-07-09 00:36:47 UTC  

and they were against repealing the Jim Crow laws too .... that was NOT TOO long ago.....

2018-07-09 00:36:48 UTC  

Does Life mean the protection of your Health or your protection of Living?

2018-07-09 00:37:01 UTC  

health doesn't have to overlap with that

2018-07-09 00:37:06 UTC  

at least not in the way you're arguing

2018-07-09 00:37:27 UTC  

because does your right to health require someone else to intervene against their will?

2018-07-09 00:37:40 UTC  

i.e. a health professional?

2018-07-09 00:37:48 UTC  

do you have a "right" to their services?

2018-07-09 00:38:18 UTC  

and if so, where do you draw the line

2018-07-09 00:38:36 UTC  

Not all health does; like being overweight doesn't mean my right to life gives me the right to a gym, but in certain cases their are solid libertarian arguments for healthcare

2018-07-09 00:38:36 UTC  

do you have a right to a plumber's services to fix your sewage line because it can spread disease?

2018-07-09 00:38:38 UTC  

that is, right because nobody has the right to prevent you from seeking it and for making your own health choices and decisions w/o having somebody be forced to pay for wreckless choices of others' health lifestyle/choices/decisions

2018-07-09 00:39:20 UTC  

for the record, I'm not totally against a single payer / safety net type system

2018-07-09 00:39:31 UTC  

I'm not just not sure what it should be, for the US

2018-07-09 00:39:38 UTC  

I'm not for it either

2018-07-09 00:39:51 UTC  

well... there are private healthcare clinics already available out there..... so of course healthcare is part of the natural organic market economy

2018-07-09 00:39:55 UTC  

And I certainly don't know the right way to implement such systems, and wouldn't want a poorly thought out system to be implemented just in the pursuit of progress

2018-07-09 00:40:02 UTC  

exactly

2018-07-09 00:40:03 UTC  

a solid libertarian case for forcing a doctor to care for you against their will?

2018-07-09 00:40:13 UTC  

there isn't one

2018-07-09 00:40:18 UTC  

No one said there was one.