Message from @Poptarts

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2018-07-09 00:46:30 UTC  

buuut

2018-07-09 00:46:42 UTC  

I do have a moral delimma of people making money over someone elses misery

2018-07-09 00:46:53 UTC  

same as private prisons

2018-07-09 00:47:21 UTC  

Well, if it is not stated-funded, then people can take it to the courts.

2018-07-09 00:47:40 UTC  

you can take the state to the courts too usually

2018-07-09 00:47:52 UTC  

all the healthcare youd ever want can be provided in the market economy. no good reason to risk monopolizing the industry in a wreckless policy that ppl dont even know how to implement due the inherent flaws of central planning

2018-07-09 00:47:55 UTC  

jsut like you can file a lawsuit against a police department, etc

2018-07-09 00:48:20 UTC  

yeah I'm definetly NOT against a market economy for healthcare

2018-07-09 00:48:28 UTC  

but I don't think how it currently is

2018-07-09 00:48:35 UTC  

the unethical part imo is that insurance companies pay a much lower rate than ppl who don't have insurance

2018-07-09 00:48:35 UTC  

mismanagement is GUARANTEED to take place in centraly planned economies (socialism/fascism/techocracy)

2018-07-09 00:48:42 UTC  

dunno how the chargemaster is still a thing

2018-07-09 00:48:51 UTC  

i do believe there are enough people willing to help fund strangers healthcare without needing the state. the issue becomes connecting people with the need with people willing to help

2018-07-09 00:49:11 UTC  

I watched my working class parents get decimated financially when my dad got cancer and basically got to the point where he needed a loan to continue treatments

2018-07-09 00:49:26 UTC  

I don't think any one should have to go through that

2018-07-09 00:49:31 UTC  

but I do not know what the answer is

2018-07-09 00:49:34 UTC  

yeah for sure, how the healthcare industry currently is .... very bad! due to statism primarily

2018-07-09 00:49:36 UTC  

but that IS the reality of our current system

2018-07-09 00:51:36 UTC  

yeah, and it already takes place... so if ppl are taxed less, the charitable ppl (mostly poor & middle class conservatives.... btw), they have more to give

2018-07-09 00:51:51 UTC  

One thing that I like is paying doctors and physicians directly in cash or other monetary compensation for services rendered.

2018-07-09 00:52:14 UTC  

not to mention all the "friendly societies" that pre-existed statist meddling into healthcare services

2018-07-09 00:52:15 UTC  

that just gets around the insurance system and yeah that does have some affect

2018-07-09 00:52:56 UTC  

but it doesn't help those that don't have any way to pay

2018-07-09 00:53:26 UTC  

and i'm not talking emergency services, those are already guaranteed, etc, I'm talking chronic illnesses like cancer

2018-07-09 00:53:41 UTC  

there is always a way ... and there will always be more potential charitable capital to make the difference

2018-07-09 00:53:43 UTC  

shits expensive regardless of insurance, not something most normal people can just pay cash for

2018-07-09 00:54:12 UTC  

What about have a corporation, company, organization, or private investor "sponsor" your cancer for a treatment. All experimental drugs. No FDA interference.

2018-07-09 00:54:27 UTC  

there could perhaps be utility in the state connecting people willing to help and people in need. But giving the state money is the last thing you want to do. Its like taking all the healthcare companies, and make them just one giant entity, Then taking the greedy hospital boards and adding them in too. Its just more money for politicians to raid to pay their debts on bad deals.

2018-07-09 00:55:09 UTC  

yeah, giving the state money is not a good idea either

2018-07-09 00:55:26 UTC  

I'm also not totally opposed to a single payer system

2018-07-09 00:55:31 UTC  

or Kickstarter 😄

2018-07-09 00:55:33 UTC  

buuut I just don't know how it would work

2018-07-09 00:55:35 UTC  

like pensions for my recent state reps who all retired at like 50, while like no one in the work force can retire before like 60 or 70, realistically, and very few if any have pensions.

2018-07-09 00:55:44 UTC  

kickstarter and gofundme, etc days are numbered

2018-07-09 00:55:55 UTC  

when people stop realizing the value from donations

2018-07-09 00:56:17 UTC  

I don't tsee that as a long term solution

2018-07-09 00:56:22 UTC  

why public officials even HAD the option of pensions for being in office way too fucking long is beyond me.

2018-07-09 00:56:32 UTC  

A Blockchain-funded DAO that funds your Healthcare plan, according to how much you can "mine" in what you can do for your diseases' research?

2018-07-09 00:56:46 UTC  

exactly, what i was saying, @LotheronPrime

2018-07-09 00:56:48 UTC  

I am so agaisnt digital mining