Message from @CreativeRealms

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2018-07-16 07:04:01 UTC  

Yeah i got that name right.

2018-07-16 07:04:12 UTC  

These are people in a similar camp to Bernie

2018-07-16 07:04:14 UTC  

Not Clinton

2018-07-16 07:04:49 UTC  

does she think that ICE patrols the borders?

2018-07-16 07:05:53 UTC  

Ocasio Cortez? I cant imagine she does. She must at least know the gist (IE; Google search) of what they do if she put it in writing as part of her platform

2018-07-16 07:06:41 UTC  

Yea no shes definetly had someone think out her paltform for her

2018-07-16 07:06:51 UTC  

What that is exactly depends on how tinfoil hat you want to get

2018-07-16 07:07:13 UTC  

"Ocasio-Cortez wants to abolish Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and believes there should be a "clear" path to citizenship for unauthorized immigrants.

"As overseen by the Trump administration, ICE operates with virtually no accountability, ripping apart families and holding our friends and neighbors indefinitely in inhumane detention centers scattered across the United States," Ocasio-Cortez said on her website.

She also wants more protections for young unauthorized immigrants known as "Dreamers" and immigrants who have temporary protections from deportation."

2018-07-16 07:07:21 UTC  

I dont think so?

2018-07-16 07:08:13 UTC  

I believe she has the correct understanding of ICE here?

2018-07-16 07:08:26 UTC  

that sounds like it yea

2018-07-16 07:09:33 UTC  

rather silly, since the name would just change and the same policy would be carried out

2018-07-16 07:09:57 UTC  

its not as if we can stop enforcing borders all together

2018-07-16 07:10:13 UTC  

Well, eh, maybe.
If you actually ended up abolishing ICE, it'd be a big job, and you'd probably end up changing the rules that make ICE do this in the first place

2018-07-16 07:10:39 UTC  

But again, it's much easier to simply reform ICE

2018-07-16 07:10:40 UTC  

Then kill it

2018-07-16 07:11:50 UTC  

Here's something she was handing out, summary of her platform

2018-07-16 07:14:23 UTC  

That's the thing, she has things that everyone wants in there, but others that are just far-fetched.

2018-07-16 07:14:45 UTC  

What do you have in mind other then 'Abolish ICE'?

2018-07-16 07:14:50 UTC  

I’m surprised she has support for veterans on there.

2018-07-16 07:15:04 UTC  

Im not.

2018-07-16 07:16:23 UTC  

Her group are anti war, but very pro treating veteran mental problems more seriously/consistently then they have been.

2018-07-16 07:16:34 UTC  

100% jobs. A Keynesian idea that has failed time and time again, because it's unbelievably expensive, and bloats the birocratic system to no end.

2018-07-16 07:16:52 UTC  

Well its politics, they can call it a 'universal job guarentee'

2018-07-16 07:16:54 UTC  

Universal jobs guarantee, is how she has it on there

2018-07-16 07:17:01 UTC  

but it wont play out like that.

2018-07-16 07:17:19 UTC  

The describing text just says 'living minimum wage'

2018-07-16 07:17:24 UTC  

It'll play out like pre Thatcher London

2018-07-16 07:18:31 UTC  

Also in terms of what they actually talk about, i dont really ever hear 'universal job guarentee'

2018-07-16 07:18:37 UTC  

It's usually just minimum wage stuff

2018-07-16 07:18:51 UTC  

She probably wants the 15$ minimum wage

2018-07-16 07:19:07 UTC  

The housing thing will make howsing super expensive.

2018-07-16 07:19:18 UTC  

I dont follow.

2018-07-16 07:19:23 UTC  

And if it is a minimum wage thing than disemployment will go up

2018-07-16 07:19:48 UTC  

She'll create more people that she'll need to help

2018-07-16 07:20:07 UTC  

Depends. Unemployment from minimum wage hikes are usually only short term, so long as the hike is found to be tolerable.

2018-07-16 07:20:16 UTC  

@Scarlet well, think about it this way. Democrats overwhelmingly support citizenship of illegal immigrants and oppose deportations. A lot of them also support open borders. The most famous authority that carries out deportations and tracks down illegal immigrants is ICE, so they are in direction opposition to the previously mentioned policies.
Hence, they want to abolish ICE.

2018-07-16 07:21:09 UTC  

Yeah but if you sit down and think about it, it'd be better to repurpose the agency. I guess you could kill the agency and move the personnel to something else, but just exploding it and calling it a day

2018-07-16 07:21:12 UTC  

would be pretty pointless

2018-07-16 07:21:16 UTC  

Yep