Message from @pratel

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2018-07-16 23:44:45 UTC  

I really like Margaret Hoove.r

2018-07-16 23:44:47 UTC  

Obviously, that's going to make people feel attacked.

2018-07-16 23:45:17 UTC  

It's also kind of shocking that R's are trying to downplay the endictments as if they arent a big deal

2018-07-16 23:45:38 UTC  

Like you can think Trump wasnt involved and also think its a big deal that were indicting people

2018-07-16 23:45:44 UTC  

It's a tribalism issue. Everyone is so obsessed with getting extra voters to themselves they've forgotten literally all other concerns.

2018-07-16 23:46:13 UTC  

Eh, let's not go too deep into it. I was trying to use it as an example of taking an event and go after people. It was the most recent thing so that's why I took it.

2018-07-16 23:46:22 UTC  

It's either be Anti-Russia or Pro-russia. And I'm not even Russian.

2018-07-16 23:46:25 UTC  

It's better not to get too deep on a tangent on this kind of thing.

2018-07-16 23:46:30 UTC  

Like the first moment I was in the ancap server, I mentioned my brother in law was a captian in the army and one guy came running out of the box like "YOUR BROTHER IN LAW IS GETTING PAID WITH STOLEN MONEY" making sound like my brother in law was an inheritantly bad dude and it's just woah buddy, that's not how you start things off.

2018-07-16 23:46:51 UTC  

This also happen to be the guy who would cite books about everything

2018-07-16 23:47:01 UTC  

recreational nukes when

2018-07-16 23:47:01 UTC  

lol. Which server was this? It sounds like someone being a shitlord.

2018-07-16 23:47:10 UTC  

Made me feel like I was debating about God and his response was "because the Bible"

2018-07-16 23:47:17 UTC  

I'd gladly switch to ancap if I got recreational nukes 😃

2018-07-16 23:47:23 UTC  

AnCap and Communist ideologies are like basic physics problems...they only work in a vacuum with a frictionless surface

2018-07-16 23:47:52 UTC  

Eh. Citations make sense. And I can see the argument for just saying "read this book"

2018-07-16 23:48:06 UTC  

Yeah, but it's lazy

2018-07-16 23:48:09 UTC  

It's more an issue if they won't defend the ideas presented in the book or attempt to summarize them.

2018-07-16 23:48:31 UTC  

Sometimes you just have to egg it out of them

2018-07-16 23:48:40 UTC  

And you don't truly get the argument until you can recite it by heart.

2018-07-16 23:48:56 UTC  

Or modify it, at the very least.

2018-07-16 23:49:23 UTC  

But enough of them there had read it and were able to summarize it so we could move on.

2018-07-16 23:49:46 UTC  

Actually, one thing I'd like to say.

2018-07-16 23:49:54 UTC  

We are woefully missing long term documentation.

2018-07-16 23:50:15 UTC  

Alot of these servers have very significant ideas come out of them. But I doubt most people are interested in documenting any of it.

2018-07-16 23:50:20 UTC  

The final straw for me was this one new guy, who came in, would use a common word everyone knows as x definition, would debate you a little while, then go "but I'm using y definition" that is basically not a definition for that word like ever.

2018-07-16 23:50:36 UTC  

But when you think about it, these are the thoughts by which future generations will have to consider.

2018-07-16 23:50:52 UTC  

lol i like looking at christian and socialist/communist arguments and finding parts that are reasonable and work

2018-07-16 23:51:09 UTC  

even though im on the other side of both of those views lol

2018-07-16 23:51:18 UTC  

Or you'd start the debate using x definition, he'd argue from y definition, then when you corrected him he would go "oh, so now you are changing the definition because you are losing?!"

2018-07-16 23:51:32 UTC  

Fucking strawman should have been his title.

2018-07-16 23:51:52 UTC  

Yeah, one issue with ideological arguments though is that we tend to define them by the extremes.

And communities will lay claim to "ideas that work" even if they themselves didn't really come up with the idea in the first place or simply renamed something someone else said.

2018-07-16 23:52:08 UTC  

like i dated a pretty religious chick a couple years back and the whole agnostic shit never bothered them hahaha mainly because i could articulate good reasons for a higher power from theri perspective

2018-07-16 23:52:14 UTC  

The fuzzy middle ground is hard to stand on.

2018-07-16 23:52:51 UTC  

also i was never bothered by prayers before supper n shiet n id respect them

2018-07-16 23:52:55 UTC  

Since I hadn't had any good debates for a while since then, and even managed to get one person to shift there position and say I was right, I was just "screw Mr strawman" and left.

2018-07-16 23:53:19 UTC  

@Grenade123

Yeah, definitions matter. And some people just want to rework them. There's not too much you can really do IMO. I've redefined words myself (heck, I've had days long discussions on what definitions make sense), sometimes you just have to if you want to get a point across.

2018-07-16 23:53:45 UTC  

LIke, I can think of atleast 3 definitions of "conservative" that all make sense and can be hard to distinguish in context (and all mean radically different things)

2018-07-16 23:54:01 UTC  

LOL queue the first podcast between sam harris and jordan peterson where they spend an hour defining truth lol

2018-07-16 23:54:15 UTC  

as much as good points were made they were speaking past each other

2018-07-16 23:54:21 UTC  

Oh man. Truth. That's like, a whole branch of philosophy.