@Grenade123 yeah well thats what civil discourse is all about

Right but I don't like when people hear a half-assed version of a story and immediately hop on twitter with their garbage hot takes...which I am now realizing describes half of twitter

It's just funny to see someone like that now a likely member of congress

You don't have to be well-versed on policies. Just issues and emotions now. Populism rules the day. It also rues the day.

It's like, on a free un-moderated server everyone wants to talk so the dominant position tends to overwhelm opposition.

It would be more effective if it were more like a formal debate with timed positions to avoid keeping people from getting overwhelmed.

Reddit is the worst at this, because then you get ideologically minded down/up voters.

Remember, these people live with a very fragile view or the world. And any time it is so little as cracked scares them.

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^ The other big issue.

So it's extra hard. One good debate sends them running

Or when there's a major event and everyone floods to attack the people who would be harmed by the development

"asking for comment"

Imagine the debate between her and her opponent this Fall.

I'm sure we all know someone in some friend circle who does this.

It's very hard get them out of their shell. Particularly when they can't run behind their comrads to "recharge" so to speak

Like, I can't say how many messages I got about the 12 Russia indictments. I saw more "ARE YOU READY TO ADMIT YOUR WRONG NOW" posts everywhere (including on fairly 'closed' social media) than I ever did discussing anything about the idictments themselves.

I really like Margaret Hoove.r

Obviously, that's going to make people feel attacked.

It's also kind of shocking that R's are trying to downplay the endictments as if they arent a big deal

Like you can think Trump wasnt involved and also think its a big deal that were indicting people

It's a tribalism issue. Everyone is so obsessed with getting extra voters to themselves they've forgotten literally all other concerns.

Eh, let's not go too deep into it. I was trying to use it as an example of taking an event and go after people. It was the most recent thing so that's why I took it.

It's either be Anti-Russia or Pro-russia. And I'm not even Russian.

It's better not to get too deep on a tangent on this kind of thing.

Like the first moment I was in the ancap server, I mentioned my brother in law was a captian in the army and one guy came running out of the box like "YOUR BROTHER IN LAW IS GETTING PAID WITH STOLEN MONEY" making sound like my brother in law was an inheritantly bad dude and it's just woah buddy, that's not how you start things off.

This also happen to be the guy who would cite books about everything

recreational nukes when

lol. Which server was this? It sounds like someone being a shitlord.

Made me feel like I was debating about God and his response was "because the Bible"

I'd gladly switch to ancap if I got recreational nukes 😃

AnCap and Communist ideologies are like basic physics problems...they only work in a vacuum with a frictionless surface

Eh. Citations make sense. And I can see the argument for just saying "read this book"

Yeah, but it's lazy

It's more an issue if they won't defend the ideas presented in the book or attempt to summarize them.

Sometimes you just have to egg it out of them

And you don't truly get the argument until you can recite it by heart.

Or modify it, at the very least.

But enough of them there had read it and were able to summarize it so we could move on.

Actually, one thing I'd like to say.

We are woefully missing long term documentation.

Alot of these servers have very significant ideas come out of them. But I doubt most people are interested in documenting any of it.

The final straw for me was this one new guy, who came in, would use a common word everyone knows as x definition, would debate you a little while, then go "but I'm using y definition" that is basically not a definition for that word like ever.