Message from @pratel

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2018-07-16 23:39:23 UTC  

Slate Star Codex is amazing.

2018-07-16 23:39:26 UTC  

The problem is finding one that is not completely closed, then make them not feel attacked.

2018-07-16 23:39:33 UTC  

I don't understand Ocasio-Cortez' 'I was posting as an activist' statement. Like if you're an activist you're allowed to be ignorant about an issue?

2018-07-16 23:39:51 UTC  

yeah if you cant at least summarize said arguments in a book you didnt understand them fully

2018-07-16 23:39:51 UTC  

Which I admit, is very hard to do when you enter a server full of people ideologically opposed

2018-07-16 23:40:00 UTC  

even if u summarise them poorly its a good start

2018-07-16 23:40:19 UTC  

And I don't really mean physically attacked, but like ganged up on and not able to talk before being cut off

2018-07-16 23:40:45 UTC  

I think everyone is ignorant on something.

It's more an issue that she was taking a position she didn't really understand and she's running (essentially already won) for a position of power where her votes would have very real consequences.

2018-07-16 23:40:49 UTC  

yeah as bad as chats are for that tell me it wouldnt be 100x worse in a real room with like even 10 people in it hahha

2018-07-16 23:40:56 UTC  

As much as we hate safe spaces, youd really need to make a leftist and a rightist feel comfortable and welcome

2018-07-16 23:41:00 UTC  

And Israel is a very sensitive topic to alot of people.

2018-07-16 23:41:07 UTC  

It seems being an activist is something that politicans do not know much about. Then again, how many politicians of yesteryear are still activists?

2018-07-16 23:41:18 UTC  

I don't think it's a 'safe space' issue as much as it's a decorum issue.

2018-07-16 23:41:24 UTC  

@Grenade123 yeah well thats what civil discourse is all about

2018-07-16 23:41:52 UTC  

Right but I don't like when people hear a half-assed version of a story and immediately hop on twitter with their garbage hot takes...which I am now realizing describes half of twitter

2018-07-16 23:42:11 UTC  

It's just funny to see someone like that now a likely member of congress

2018-07-16 23:42:28 UTC  

You don't have to be well-versed on policies. Just issues and emotions now. Populism rules the day. It also rues the day.

2018-07-16 23:42:33 UTC  

It's like, on a free un-moderated server everyone wants to talk so the dominant position tends to overwhelm opposition.

It would be more effective if it were more like a formal debate with timed positions to avoid keeping people from getting overwhelmed.

Reddit is the worst at this, because then you get ideologically minded down/up voters.

2018-07-16 23:42:35 UTC  

Remember, these people live with a very fragile view or the world. And any time it is so little as cracked scares them.

2018-07-16 23:42:41 UTC  

Of*

2018-07-16 23:42:46 UTC  

^ The other big issue.

2018-07-16 23:42:52 UTC  

So it's extra hard. One good debate sends them running

2018-07-16 23:43:05 UTC  

Or when there's a major event and everyone floods to attack the people who would be harmed by the development

2018-07-16 23:43:08 UTC  

"asking for comment"

2018-07-16 23:43:15 UTC  

Imagine the debate between her and her opponent this Fall.

2018-07-16 23:43:18 UTC  

I'm sure we all know someone in some friend circle who does this.

2018-07-16 23:43:58 UTC  

It's very hard get them out of their shell. Particularly when they can't run behind their comrads to "recharge" so to speak

2018-07-16 23:44:29 UTC  

Like, I can't say how many messages I got about the 12 Russia indictments. I saw more "ARE YOU READY TO ADMIT YOUR WRONG NOW" posts everywhere (including on fairly 'closed' social media) than I ever did discussing anything about the idictments themselves.

2018-07-16 23:44:45 UTC  

I really like Margaret Hoove.r

2018-07-16 23:44:47 UTC  

Obviously, that's going to make people feel attacked.

2018-07-16 23:45:17 UTC  

It's also kind of shocking that R's are trying to downplay the endictments as if they arent a big deal

2018-07-16 23:45:38 UTC  

Like you can think Trump wasnt involved and also think its a big deal that were indicting people

2018-07-16 23:45:44 UTC  

It's a tribalism issue. Everyone is so obsessed with getting extra voters to themselves they've forgotten literally all other concerns.

2018-07-16 23:46:13 UTC  

Eh, let's not go too deep into it. I was trying to use it as an example of taking an event and go after people. It was the most recent thing so that's why I took it.

2018-07-16 23:46:22 UTC  

It's either be Anti-Russia or Pro-russia. And I'm not even Russian.

2018-07-16 23:46:25 UTC  

It's better not to get too deep on a tangent on this kind of thing.

2018-07-16 23:46:30 UTC  

Like the first moment I was in the ancap server, I mentioned my brother in law was a captian in the army and one guy came running out of the box like "YOUR BROTHER IN LAW IS GETTING PAID WITH STOLEN MONEY" making sound like my brother in law was an inheritantly bad dude and it's just woah buddy, that's not how you start things off.

2018-07-16 23:46:51 UTC  

This also happen to be the guy who would cite books about everything

2018-07-16 23:47:01 UTC  

recreational nukes when

2018-07-16 23:47:01 UTC  

lol. Which server was this? It sounds like someone being a shitlord.

2018-07-16 23:47:10 UTC  

Made me feel like I was debating about God and his response was "because the Bible"