Message from @JULZIFICATOR
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Made me feel like I was debating about God and his response was "because the Bible"
I'd gladly switch to ancap if I got recreational nukes 😃
AnCap and Communist ideologies are like basic physics problems...they only work in a vacuum with a frictionless surface
Eh. Citations make sense. And I can see the argument for just saying "read this book"
Yeah, but it's lazy
It's more an issue if they won't defend the ideas presented in the book or attempt to summarize them.
Sometimes you just have to egg it out of them
And you don't truly get the argument until you can recite it by heart.
Or modify it, at the very least.
But enough of them there had read it and were able to summarize it so we could move on.
Actually, one thing I'd like to say.
We are woefully missing long term documentation.
Alot of these servers have very significant ideas come out of them. But I doubt most people are interested in documenting any of it.
The final straw for me was this one new guy, who came in, would use a common word everyone knows as x definition, would debate you a little while, then go "but I'm using y definition" that is basically not a definition for that word like ever.
But when you think about it, these are the thoughts by which future generations will have to consider.
lol i like looking at christian and socialist/communist arguments and finding parts that are reasonable and work
even though im on the other side of both of those views lol
Or you'd start the debate using x definition, he'd argue from y definition, then when you corrected him he would go "oh, so now you are changing the definition because you are losing?!"
Fucking strawman should have been his title.
Yeah, one issue with ideological arguments though is that we tend to define them by the extremes.
And communities will lay claim to "ideas that work" even if they themselves didn't really come up with the idea in the first place or simply renamed something someone else said.
like i dated a pretty religious chick a couple years back and the whole agnostic shit never bothered them hahaha mainly because i could articulate good reasons for a higher power from theri perspective
The fuzzy middle ground is hard to stand on.
also i was never bothered by prayers before supper n shiet n id respect them
Since I hadn't had any good debates for a while since then, and even managed to get one person to shift there position and say I was right, I was just "screw Mr strawman" and left.
@Grenade123
Yeah, definitions matter. And some people just want to rework them. There's not too much you can really do IMO. I've redefined words myself (heck, I've had days long discussions on what definitions make sense), sometimes you just have to if you want to get a point across.
LIke, I can think of atleast 3 definitions of "conservative" that all make sense and can be hard to distinguish in context (and all mean radically different things)
LOL queue the first podcast between sam harris and jordan peterson where they spend an hour defining truth lol
as much as good points were made they were speaking past each other
Oh man. Truth. That's like, a whole branch of philosophy.
I argued that the server needed a dictionary, so we could start bedates by going like "government: using def 1a)" for opening statements
Probably one of my favorites too.
YAYA bud hahah love that shit
Lol. That would work.
But then you'd probably have to flood the dictionary with new entries after just 15 minutes of real conversation.
Pretty much what it was getting to
Just make a point of clarifying?
But better than spending an hour defining truth for the 5th time
Pull a Peterson. "But what do you mean when you say X?"
You sorta have to do that in real discussions.
I've had arguments with friends that lasted hours that came down to which part of a distribution we were thinking about.
Iron out the difference and we would be in complete agreement.