Message from @pratel

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2018-07-17 01:42:31 UTC  

And if there's anything of value at stake, interested parties WILL find a way to compromise the process.

2018-07-17 01:42:51 UTC  

At the very least, in person voting is a small barrier to some forms of manipulation.

2018-07-17 01:43:24 UTC  

yeah indeed

2018-07-17 01:44:03 UTC  

You could make a similar argument for voting by mail, but that's got a bit more control involved because ballots are usually mailed by the sec. of state, which helps limit potential abuse.

2018-07-17 01:44:45 UTC  

Voting online is a horrible idea

2018-07-17 01:44:59 UTC  

Voting by mail is even worse

2018-07-17 01:45:23 UTC  

I suggest sticking to electronic ballot machines

2018-07-17 01:45:34 UTC  

They have the least chance of being compromised

2018-07-17 01:45:46 UTC  

And can be physically guarded

2018-07-17 01:46:14 UTC  

Personally, I think most US elections are too easy to vote in already. And there are districts where the number of registered votes exceeds the number of residents already.

2018-07-17 01:46:30 UTC  

One proposal I've seen is to mandate that electronic voting machines require physical tickets as a record.

2018-07-17 01:46:36 UTC  

Which seems like a good idea to me.

2018-07-17 01:47:17 UTC  

And when the potential to manipulate elections presents itself, people will manipulate them. Heck, 4Chan manipulates online polls just because it can.

2018-07-17 01:47:27 UTC  

The benefits are quite good for voting online. But yes, worries of compromise are pretty major.

2018-07-17 01:48:03 UTC  

Also, also you really shouldnt conflate 'online polls'

2018-07-17 01:48:12 UTC  

with the security likely involved in a election.

2018-07-17 01:48:42 UTC  

You'd probably have to sign in with a government account, or social security number

2018-07-17 01:48:55 UTC  

It wouldnt be 'easy' to compromise

2018-07-17 01:49:18 UTC  

But its more plausible for mass fraud to happen that way then when voting with ballots

2018-07-17 01:50:59 UTC  

Think about how many dead people will be voting

2018-07-17 01:51:03 UTC  

SSN would be very easy to compromise, IMO. In the US we don't have government IDs beyond that either.

I've seen government security. I wouldn't trust it to get a ballot to everyone who needs it and still be robust enough to not be compromised by some intelligence service somewhere.

2018-07-17 01:51:07 UTC  

If voting was done online

2018-07-17 01:51:10 UTC  

Offense > defense.

2018-07-17 01:51:28 UTC  

"Oh no the dead people"
Sure it might happen more, but its quite rare as is.

2018-07-17 01:51:34 UTC  

Also

2018-07-17 01:51:43 UTC  

It's rare because we don't vote online ya fag

2018-07-17 01:51:48 UTC  

The most secure way i can think of, having novice knowledge of these sorts of things

2018-07-17 01:51:58 UTC  

Is to hand out physical items (Some kind of card) every year

2018-07-17 01:52:03 UTC  

To every citizen

2018-07-17 01:52:21 UTC  

With a very long string of numbers on it or something

2018-07-17 01:52:21 UTC  

It's not as rare as you think.

2018-07-17 01:52:27 UTC  

That they have to input when voting

2018-07-17 01:52:39 UTC  

Not gonna work

2018-07-17 01:52:42 UTC  

Why not?

2018-07-17 01:52:48 UTC  

It's cards

2018-07-17 01:52:51 UTC  

So?

2018-07-17 01:52:57 UTC  

You'd have to do something better.

2018-07-17 01:52:59 UTC  

Common sense

2018-07-17 01:53:06 UTC  

No one would actually care

2018-07-17 01:53:10 UTC  

If it's cards you could easily start by intercepting the cards or reverse engineering the numbers.

2018-07-17 01:53:22 UTC  

And you can fuck with the numbers