Message from @pratel

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2018-07-17 01:55:28 UTC  

It doesn't even have to be 100% decoded, just enough to flip a couple strategic locations.

2018-07-17 01:55:29 UTC  

i mean has bitcoin been hacked ???

2018-07-17 01:55:29 UTC  

You obviously couldnt be lazy. But if you had this setup by people who are familiar with digital security, i doubt that'd end up being the issue.

2018-07-17 01:55:40 UTC  

"if it's easy to figure out people will just figure it out" - that's not a very compelling argument

2018-07-17 01:55:44 UTC  

^

2018-07-17 01:55:59 UTC  

If you talk with people in digital security they'll tell you to assume you've been compromised from the start.

2018-07-17 01:56:04 UTC  

There was one where double spending was found out.

2018-07-17 01:56:26 UTC  

And you have to keep things simple enough non-technical people can figure it out.

2018-07-17 01:56:40 UTC  

That's only for the user interface on the other side.

2018-07-17 01:56:49 UTC  

And it is simple, you have a physical card with say a 30 digit number

2018-07-17 01:56:52 UTC  

You type it in

2018-07-17 01:56:54 UTC  

You get to vote

2018-07-17 01:56:56 UTC  

Confirm

2018-07-17 01:56:58 UTC  

Its done

2018-07-17 01:57:10 UTC  

non-technical people don't need to understand how it works. How many people understand how a credit card works?

2018-07-17 01:57:37 UTC  

And credit card information gets leaked all the time from various hacker collectives and rogue agents.

2018-07-17 01:57:53 UTC  

The card probably wouldnt have your name on it, and you'd likely also have to enter your first and last name as a extra precaution

2018-07-17 01:58:09 UTC  

E-voting booths?

2018-07-17 01:58:20 UTC  

How would you even know it's running the correct software?

2018-07-17 01:58:25 UTC  

?

2018-07-17 01:58:31 UTC  

Maybe. But what's the difference between that and electronic voting machines?

2018-07-17 01:58:40 UTC  

The fact they're networked?

2018-07-17 01:58:50 UTC  

You dont have to go anywhere, sit in a long line.
Also this isnt a voting machine

2018-07-17 01:58:56 UTC  

This would be a website or some such

2018-07-17 01:59:08 UTC  

haha just the fact its networked seems liek a bad idea

2018-07-17 01:59:11 UTC  

That's the main concern really

2018-07-17 01:59:14 UTC  

Lots of way to abuse a site.

2018-07-17 01:59:19 UTC  

Physical machines are enough

2018-07-17 01:59:19 UTC  

I wouldn't trust online

2018-07-17 01:59:24 UTC  

If they're connected over the normal internet, that's an entry point. Otherwise there's no obvious advantage to an e-voting booth. You'd still have to show up in person.

2018-07-17 01:59:26 UTC  

electronics as well.

2018-07-17 01:59:28 UTC  

If somebody can manage to break into the website you're in trouble obviously.

2018-07-17 01:59:31 UTC  

E voting isn't a good idea, period

2018-07-17 01:59:54 UTC  

You dismiss it without giving it much thought though.

2018-07-17 02:00:05 UTC  

Unless it's a utopia where no one wants to fuck over the elections

2018-07-17 02:00:07 UTC  

I'm imagining the electoral system will still be in place?

2018-07-17 02:00:53 UTC  

Presumably.

2018-07-17 02:01:02 UTC  

I would trust E voting for groups that are fundamentally online and have low stakes. Say, if Tim wanted to have a poll on this server to decide a topic for a future video or something.

But when things start to really matter, when intelligence services get interested...sometimes backwards is better.

2018-07-17 02:01:55 UTC  

Even if you aren't a hostile power, imagine the potential for a couple rogue employees at Google to manipulate elections in their favor to get a favorable regulatory environment and make a profit.

2018-07-17 02:02:14 UTC  

physical can be observed by several actors in its processing. Digital can't.

2018-07-17 02:02:16 UTC  

And a company like Google (or whomever is making the website) would certainly have the capapbilty