Message from @pratel

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2018-07-17 02:02:28 UTC  

It's not as easy mind you.

2018-07-17 02:02:56 UTC  

You trace digital, but it's somewhat imperfect. It's impractical to assume you'd be able to verify 300mil votes.

2018-07-17 02:03:09 UTC  

yeah thats assuming everyone would vote

2018-07-17 02:03:15 UTC  

but you would have to

2018-07-17 02:03:18 UTC  

I dunno about that, you said verify

2018-07-17 02:03:24 UTC  

in terms of building a stable network infastructure

2018-07-17 02:03:27 UTC  

Sure. But suppose it's 100mil. That's still alot.

2018-07-17 02:03:27 UTC  

And verifying it wouldnt be altogether that hard really.

2018-07-17 02:03:43 UTC  

I think we need to distinguish verify and "verify"

2018-07-17 02:03:53 UTC  

I mean, ensuring the entire path hasn't been tampered with.

2018-07-17 02:03:56 UTC  

Verify implies that you go ask them/confirm it somehow

2018-07-17 02:04:05 UTC  

that some huawei switch somewhere hasn't had a diversion through China.

2018-07-17 02:04:06 UTC  

No because you have to see if it's valid at the voting hardware, its software, the network, the server, etc.

2018-07-17 02:04:25 UTC  

That someone hasn't altered the hashes and stamps and rerouted things.

2018-07-17 02:04:44 UTC  

Not "verify" in the sense that you're checking who's on the record. That's conceptually simple, hard in practice.

2018-07-17 02:04:50 UTC  

No no

2018-07-17 02:04:52 UTC  

I mean literally

2018-07-17 02:04:54 UTC  

Asking somebody

2018-07-17 02:05:01 UTC  

IE; Sending them a text asking if they voted

2018-07-17 02:05:17 UTC  

2FA?

2018-07-17 02:05:22 UTC  

I'd assumed that from the start.

2018-07-17 02:05:28 UTC  

If fraud was comitted on a significant scale, you could catch it doing that.

2018-07-17 02:05:34 UTC  

Or at least know it happened

2018-07-17 02:05:38 UTC  

lol that just seems counter prodictive though, i mean teh goal of E-voting would be to make it easy and simple for every citizen to vote

2018-07-17 02:05:46 UTC  

Maybe. It's hard to say.

2018-07-17 02:05:57 UTC  

Paper seems simple enough.

2018-07-17 02:06:04 UTC  

ideally when we have the technology if its even possible you wouldnt need that sort of verification

2018-07-17 02:06:12 UTC  

I will say that if you require everyone to have a phone the politicos will immediately go up in arms about poor people not being represented. Or old people.

2018-07-17 02:06:22 UTC  

The issue isnt really paper vs digital, the issue is that traditional voting requires people to show up at a booth and wait in line

2018-07-17 02:06:26 UTC  

or rural communities

2018-07-17 02:06:31 UTC  

And alot of people, especially for more local elections

2018-07-17 02:06:33 UTC  

Just... Dont

2018-07-17 02:07:14 UTC  

People don't go to vote because of convenience.

2018-07-17 02:07:16 UTC  

i mean ive been involved in a local election and that was a hassle enough in terms of recounting and having the proper officials present and all that shit

2018-07-17 02:07:35 UTC  

E-voting would just exponentiate all those problems imp

2018-07-17 02:07:37 UTC  

*imo

2018-07-17 02:08:23 UTC  

In the US the turnout is something like 60ish% for presidential, 40ish% for midterms

2018-07-17 02:08:32 UTC  

And significantly lower for things like mayoral elections

2018-07-17 02:08:53 UTC  

Alot of that for local elections is that people just don't think much is at stake.

2018-07-17 02:08:55 UTC  

i thought it was more like 30%

2018-07-17 02:09:00 UTC  

fo rpresidential