I wouldn't trust online

If they're connected over the normal internet, that's an entry point. Otherwise there's no obvious advantage to an e-voting booth. You'd still have to show up in person.

electronics as well.

If somebody can manage to break into the website you're in trouble obviously.

E voting isn't a good idea, period

You dismiss it without giving it much thought though.

Unless it's a utopia where no one wants to fuck over the elections

I'm imagining the electoral system will still be in place?

Presumably.

I would trust E voting for groups that are fundamentally online and have low stakes. Say, if Tim wanted to have a poll on this server to decide a topic for a future video or something.

But when things start to really matter, when intelligence services get interested...sometimes backwards is better.

Even if you aren't a hostile power, imagine the potential for a couple rogue employees at Google to manipulate elections in their favor to get a favorable regulatory environment and make a profit.

physical can be observed by several actors in its processing. Digital can't.

And a company like Google (or whomever is making the website) would certainly have the capapbilty

Digital... Actually kind of can.

It's not as easy mind you.

You trace digital, but it's somewhat imperfect. It's impractical to assume you'd be able to verify 300mil votes.

yeah thats assuming everyone would vote

but you would have to

I dunno about that, you said verify

in terms of building a stable network infastructure

Sure. But suppose it's 100mil. That's still alot.

And verifying it wouldnt be altogether that hard really.

I think we need to distinguish verify and "verify"

I mean, ensuring the entire path hasn't been tampered with.

Verify implies that you go ask them/confirm it somehow

that some huawei switch somewhere hasn't had a diversion through China.

No because you have to see if it's valid at the voting hardware, its software, the network, the server, etc.

That someone hasn't altered the hashes and stamps and rerouted things.

Not "verify" in the sense that you're checking who's on the record. That's conceptually simple, hard in practice.

No no

I mean literally

Asking somebody

IE; Sending them a text asking if they voted

2FA?

I'd assumed that from the start.

If fraud was comitted on a significant scale, you could catch it doing that.

Or at least know it happened

lol that just seems counter prodictive though, i mean teh goal of E-voting would be to make it easy and simple for every citizen to vote

Maybe. It's hard to say.

Paper seems simple enough.

ideally when we have the technology if its even possible you wouldnt need that sort of verification