Message from @pratel

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2018-07-17 01:58:31 UTC  

Maybe. But what's the difference between that and electronic voting machines?

2018-07-17 01:58:40 UTC  

The fact they're networked?

2018-07-17 01:58:50 UTC  

You dont have to go anywhere, sit in a long line.
Also this isnt a voting machine

2018-07-17 01:58:56 UTC  

This would be a website or some such

2018-07-17 01:59:08 UTC  

haha just the fact its networked seems liek a bad idea

2018-07-17 01:59:11 UTC  

That's the main concern really

2018-07-17 01:59:14 UTC  

Lots of way to abuse a site.

2018-07-17 01:59:19 UTC  

Physical machines are enough

2018-07-17 01:59:19 UTC  

I wouldn't trust online

2018-07-17 01:59:24 UTC  

If they're connected over the normal internet, that's an entry point. Otherwise there's no obvious advantage to an e-voting booth. You'd still have to show up in person.

2018-07-17 01:59:26 UTC  

electronics as well.

2018-07-17 01:59:28 UTC  

If somebody can manage to break into the website you're in trouble obviously.

2018-07-17 01:59:31 UTC  

E voting isn't a good idea, period

2018-07-17 01:59:54 UTC  

You dismiss it without giving it much thought though.

2018-07-17 02:00:05 UTC  

Unless it's a utopia where no one wants to fuck over the elections

2018-07-17 02:00:07 UTC  

I'm imagining the electoral system will still be in place?

2018-07-17 02:00:53 UTC  

Presumably.

2018-07-17 02:01:02 UTC  

I would trust E voting for groups that are fundamentally online and have low stakes. Say, if Tim wanted to have a poll on this server to decide a topic for a future video or something.

But when things start to really matter, when intelligence services get interested...sometimes backwards is better.

2018-07-17 02:01:55 UTC  

Even if you aren't a hostile power, imagine the potential for a couple rogue employees at Google to manipulate elections in their favor to get a favorable regulatory environment and make a profit.

2018-07-17 02:02:14 UTC  

physical can be observed by several actors in its processing. Digital can't.

2018-07-17 02:02:16 UTC  

And a company like Google (or whomever is making the website) would certainly have the capapbilty

2018-07-17 02:02:23 UTC  

Digital... Actually kind of can.

2018-07-17 02:02:28 UTC  

It's not as easy mind you.

2018-07-17 02:02:56 UTC  

You trace digital, but it's somewhat imperfect. It's impractical to assume you'd be able to verify 300mil votes.

2018-07-17 02:03:09 UTC  

yeah thats assuming everyone would vote

2018-07-17 02:03:15 UTC  

but you would have to

2018-07-17 02:03:18 UTC  

I dunno about that, you said verify

2018-07-17 02:03:24 UTC  

in terms of building a stable network infastructure

2018-07-17 02:03:27 UTC  

Sure. But suppose it's 100mil. That's still alot.

2018-07-17 02:03:27 UTC  

And verifying it wouldnt be altogether that hard really.

2018-07-17 02:03:43 UTC  

I think we need to distinguish verify and "verify"

2018-07-17 02:03:53 UTC  

I mean, ensuring the entire path hasn't been tampered with.

2018-07-17 02:03:56 UTC  

Verify implies that you go ask them/confirm it somehow

2018-07-17 02:04:05 UTC  

that some huawei switch somewhere hasn't had a diversion through China.

2018-07-17 02:04:06 UTC  

No because you have to see if it's valid at the voting hardware, its software, the network, the server, etc.

2018-07-17 02:04:25 UTC  

That someone hasn't altered the hashes and stamps and rerouted things.

2018-07-17 02:04:44 UTC  

Not "verify" in the sense that you're checking who's on the record. That's conceptually simple, hard in practice.

2018-07-17 02:04:50 UTC  

No no

2018-07-17 02:04:52 UTC  

I mean literally

2018-07-17 02:04:54 UTC  

Asking somebody

2018-07-17 02:05:01 UTC  

IE; Sending them a text asking if they voted