Obama is also a big talker though. He has made a lot of promises only to never to bring up the subject again.

Like, I think most of this board is now (including Tim) "on the right" even if they'd endorse traditionally "leftist" positions.

lol well in the current US political climate

Because politics in the US (and US affiliated places) tends to try and map all of politics onto a 1-d axis (which creates obvious problems)

For sure the right is the liberal side now

not all of us are in teh US though

Yes, which is another one of the problems of labels.

I'd say the 4x4 square at the centre below the line, counts as liberals

Funny that conservatives and liberals are on the same team

yeah they dont apply the same around the world

I have a theory

Society was liberal for years

So when it changes

Liberal become conservative

lol i just think of that meme where the guys like, "well i never thought wed be fighting side by side old enemy" and its christians and atheists ready to figh SJWs

Well thats not much of a theory, that does indeed happen

Well left and right originally just came from the 2 majorities in an old for m of congress

Like for example in Romania today

in an ideal world we could all be conservative

Conservatives are communists

Not socialism vs capitalism

because teh values we hold would be worht conserving

And the left is liberal capitalists

Goddamn france corrupting politics forever

DARN YOU DESCARTES

I remember this game I used to play where you micromanage politics

Democracy 3?

LOL what kind of fucked up childhood did you have??

When the liberals push for a bill, and you approve it, they become conservative

it's not really 'liberals' become 'conservative' ..liberalism is about principles more than anything, it's social norms that are progressive over time become coservative

hahahahahahhahaha

Nvm

@JULZIFICATOR I WAS A NERD OKAY

XD its okay we are all nerds in our own way

I bet you were Dictator in that game all the time

Oh no, I did all kinds of shit

Dictator yes

Man I miss that game

I need to find what it is

But for real though, gay marriage becoming universal accepted has been one of the worst things for the left as far as membership

Many on the left are there for one issue