Fun fact, Obama is centre right

XD yeahhhhhhhh especially now hahahahahahahha

By today's standards it is hard to be left of Centre right

He was probably this all along

But he had to say things to appeal to voters

I don't really think Obama was that center-right.

lol well that is the job of a politician

I think it's the other way around. He wanted to be further left but electoral realities interfered.

especically when he endorsed Hillarious

So he ended up running much more moderately than his most vocal base really wanted.

When I saw him, he was talking about the value of getting a job, personal responsibility, and family values

He campaigned on being leftist, but what he actually did was pretty centrist.

i remember when he was talking about borders essentially saying the same trump is saying now back in the day

Except the thousands of missiles at Syria....

Here's the other thing. The parties are realigning.

before he ran or at the beginning of his run fo rprez

Obama is also a big talker though. He has made a lot of promises only to never to bring up the subject again.

Like, I think most of this board is now (including Tim) "on the right" even if they'd endorse traditionally "leftist" positions.

lol well in the current US political climate

Because politics in the US (and US affiliated places) tends to try and map all of politics onto a 1-d axis (which creates obvious problems)

For sure the right is the liberal side now

not all of us are in teh US though

Yes, which is another one of the problems of labels.

I'd say the 4x4 square at the centre below the line, counts as liberals

Funny that conservatives and liberals are on the same team

yeah they dont apply the same around the world

I have a theory

Society was liberal for years

So when it changes

Liberal become conservative

lol i just think of that meme where the guys like, "well i never thought wed be fighting side by side old enemy" and its christians and atheists ready to figh SJWs

Well thats not much of a theory, that does indeed happen

Well left and right originally just came from the 2 majorities in an old for m of congress

Like for example in Romania today

in an ideal world we could all be conservative

Conservatives are communists

Not socialism vs capitalism

because teh values we hold would be worht conserving

And the left is liberal capitalists

Goddamn france corrupting politics forever

DARN YOU DESCARTES